Ace

**not2late** · March 23, 2009, 01:01 PM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by basketballbelly View Post

Ok, according to this

Degree of Metabolic Resistance for Women
...................Pounds Lost in First 14 Days
Pounds to Lose......High........Avg........Low
Less than 20.........2...........4..........6
20-50................3...........6..........9
More than 50.........4...........8.........12

At this point I am at the average level (I am going from my weighin last Monday at 268, now I could have been more than that) so to date (today is day 8 I still have 6 more days to go) I have lost 5lbs I have more than 50lbs to lose so I am falling in the average resistance for women.

Now looking forward:

Metabolic Resistance........Approximate ACE Range
.......High.................15 grams of carbs per day
......Average...............15-40 grams of carbs per day
.......Low..................40-60 grams of carbs per day
..Regular exerciser*........60-90 grams of carbs per day

*In this context, a regular exerciser is someone who does vigorous exercise five days a week for at least 45 minutes.

According to the above chart I should be at 15-40 grams of carbs per day by the end of OWL right?

Yes and no. That's the estimated range of CCLLs or ACE for a person with average metabolic resistance. So depending on your body and metabolism, you might have a CCLL of 20 or a CCLL of 40. Alot of people look at the charts and make the mistake that they can eat 40 net carbs and lose weight based on the chart. Then they find out they can only eat 30 net carbs. And complain that Dr. Atkins was wrong blah blah blah. OR they think that because the charts say 40 is their max, they can't try to go higher if they are still losing weight at 40.

i only workout 3 days a week so that does not count...? I have to dig out my book! We continue to add 5g of carbs(good carbs from the list) for one week at a time or two?

It depends on how vigorous you exercise. If you work out for 75 minutes 3 times a week, that comes to about 225 minutes a week. Which is the same amount of minutes you would get if you worked out 45 minutes 5 times a week.

So next Monday I would can add 5g of carbs from the salad and other vegetable list, I only eat the new food for 3 days out of the week and on the other 4 days I can eat the foods I am already eating just ending up at days end with 25 not 20g of carbs.

Yes. And remember it's 5 net carbs.

I can skip rung two if I don't want to eat dairy (though that cottage cheese really looks good)!

You may skip any rung if you don't like or cannot eat the food (for example you are allergic to dairy or allergic to strawberries, you do not have to eat those foods.) What isn't recommended is that you jump from Rung 1 to Rung 8 or Rung 9 because the higher rung foods tend to have a higher glycemic index and that can mess up your blood sugar. Moreover, 5 net carbs of those foods are tablespoons or teaspoons amounts. You might not be able to control yourself this early in the game.

Kudos to you for moving to OWL. You'll find Atkins will be easier to do and your menues will be more liberal.

**basketballbelly** · March 23, 2009, 01:20 PM

Re: Ace

I've not caluclated net carbs from the beginning, so I have to continue calculating the way I started right? I do't trust the net carb game, it would allow me to eat more, but I simply plug my foods into fitday and let that do the calculation for me, I should continue doing it that way right?

bbb

**Georgiana** · March 23, 2009, 01:37 PM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by basketballbelly View Post

I've not caluclated net carbs from the beginning, so I have to continue calculating the way I started right? I do't trust the net carb game, it would allow me to eat more, but I simply plug my foods into fitday and let that do the calculation for me, I should continue doing it that way right?

I explained you this a while ago, so I'm just going to quote myself.

Let me know if you have questions.

Originally posted by Georgiana View Post

There are a few problems with counting total instead of net carbohydrates:

1. Most of your carbs should come from vegetables. Not subtracting the dietary fiber from the total count will give you the impression you are eating more veg carbohydrate than you actually are and will leave you room to eat too many carbs from other sources (eggs, cheese, cold cuts, spices, sour cream, heavy cream, etc.).

2. If you are counting total carbs during Induction, you would have to continue counting total carbs during OWL as well. However, during OWL you are supposed to find your CCLL. This is the maximum number of net carbohydrate you can eat and still lose weight. If you find your "faux" CCLL in terms of total carbs, you run into trouble -- 5 cups of induction vegetables might have the same total carbohydrate count as, let's say, 7 oz of yogurt, but the net carbohydrate count will be completely different.

**basketballbelly** · March 23, 2009, 01:54 PM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by Georgiana View Post

I explained you this a while ago, so I'm just going to quote myself.

Let me know if you have questions.

Right, that is why I questioned what was being stated...I remembered, I have to stick to the way I'm doing things.

bbb

**basketballbelly** · March 23, 2009, 01:55 PM

Re: Ace

There is no way to know if fitday is counting net or total carbs. I'm not sure how to convert this and not run into "trouble"

bbb

**Grniidgrl** · March 23, 2009, 02:48 PM

Re: Ace

FitDay is counting total carbs - If you subtract the amount of grams of fiber from the total grams of carbs. you get your net carbs.

for instance 1 cup broccoli = 7.9g total carbs
4.5g fiber
That totals 3.4 NET Carbs.

Dont be so concerned with how much you are eating calories or volume wise. Watch your NET carbs and your fat/carb/protien ratio.

**mitzimarie** · March 23, 2009, 05:39 PM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by basketballbelly View Post

There is no way to know if fitday is counting net or total carbs. I'm not sure how to convert this and not run into "trouble"

bbb

Don't be afraid of net carbs! This really is easier than you think it is.

Fitday will count fiber for you, and this is how you do it: On the left side of the page, is a place that you can click on to set a nutrition goal. Go there, and set a fiber goal... that is done by setting a minimum and maximum daily fiber amount. It doesn't matter which numbers you plug in... I have my minimum set as 1 and my maximum as 50... the numbers there aren't important. I just put them in, to get Fitday to count for me. After doing this, the fiber grams will show with the other totals for carbs, protein, fat. Just subtract the fiber grams from the carb grams, and you have your net carbs.

**chinadoll** · March 24, 2009, 03:20 AM

Re: Ace

Wow, Mitzie, I knew what BBB should do but couldn't figure out an easy way to explain it. Your explanation is spot on.

**basketballbelly** · March 24, 2009, 05:35 AM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by mitzimarie View Post

Don't be afraid of net carbs! This really is easier than you think it is.

Fitday will count fiber for you, and this is how you do it: On the left side of the page, is a place that you can click on to set a nutrition goal. Go there, and set a fiber goal... that is done by setting a minimum and maximum daily fiber amount. It doesn't matter which numbers you plug in... I have my minimum set as 1 and my maximum as 50... the numbers there aren't important. I just put them in, to get Fitday to count for me. After doing this, the fiber grams will show with the other totals for carbs, protein, fat. Just subtract the fiber grams from the carb grams, and you have your net carbs.

Very cool, thank you so much! I will start using this feature today. I was actually rethinking going on to OWL because of the difficulty I was going to face with this fiber thing, There should be a sticky for beginners telling them to do this, that way they are counting their net carbs from day one!

Thank you, I can now move on to OWL on Monday without fear.

bbb

**not2late** · March 24, 2009, 07:27 AM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by basketballbelly View Post

Very cool, thank you so much! I will start using this feature today. I was actually rethinking going on to OWL because of the difficulty I was going to face with this fiber thing, There should be a sticky for beginners telling them to do this, that way they are counting their net carbs from day one!

Thank you, I can now move on to OWL on Monday without fear.

bbb

There IS a sticky that tells you how to set the fiber in fitday. It was posted by Moochiecat over 2 years ago in the 14 Day Induction Forum:

Atkins Diet Bulletin Board

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-diet-14-day-induction/5775-fitday.html

But as for counting the net carbs, Dr. Atkins writes in the book that's what we count on Atkins. So it's repetitive for us to write a sticky saying that because the information here only supplements the book: it doesn't replace it.

**basketballbelly** · March 24, 2009, 07:31 AM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by not2late View Post

There IS a sticky that tells you how to set the fiber in fitday. It was posted by Moochiecat over 2 years ago in the 14 Day Induction Forum:

Atkins Diet Bulletin Board

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-diet-14-day-induction/5775-fitday.html

But as for counting the net carbs, Dr. Atkins writes in the book that's what we count on Atkins. So it's repetitive for us to write a sticky saying that because the information here only supplements the book: it doesn't replace it.

That was just a suggestion, I did not go to the 14 day induction area, but I did go to the introduce yourself area...the older book does not say net carbs, I have copies of the other version, but thanks for the insightful, and useful post.

bbb

**not2late** · March 24, 2009, 08:00 AM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by basketballbelly View Post

That was just a suggestion, I did not go to the 14 day induction area, but I did go to the introduce yourself area...the older book does not say net carbs, I have copies of the other version, but thanks for the insightful, and useful post.

bbb

We use the 2002 book here on ADBB and according to it we count net carbs only. The 1972 and 1992 books don't use net carbs and because they don't the amounts of vegetables allowed differs. But the bottomline is if you use the 1992 book, you should be following the rules in that book and not trying to mix and match. The problem is that many of the moderators here don't know enough about the older books to give you any meaningful and useful advice on it.

**basketballbelly** · March 24, 2009, 08:12 AM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by not2late View Post

We use the 2002 book here on ADBB and according to it we count net carbs only. The 1972 and 1992 books don't use net carbs and because they don't the amounts of vegetables allowed differs. But the bottomline is if you use the 1992 book, you should be following the rules in that book and not trying to mix and match. The problem is that many of the moderators here don't know enough about the older books to give you any meaningful and useful advice on it.

Ok, it sounds as if you think I'm complaining...I'm not, just offered a suggestion. maybe I should not have done that. It does not matter if the others don't use the same book, I'm here now and have to adjust my thinking to the later version...I don't have a problem with that, but when one has done the older version as long as I have it is difficult to switch, it is like thinking in English...I'm working on it...I also did not realize the newer version was being used until about my thrid day here...really, this is not putting anybody down, it was a friendly suggestion...

bbb

**not2late** · March 24, 2009, 01:07 PM

Re: Ace

Originally posted by basketballbelly View Post

Ok, it sounds as if you think I'm complaining...I'm not, just offered a suggestion. maybe I should not have done that. It does not matter if the others don't use the same book, I'm here now and have to adjust my thinking to the later version...I don't have a problem with that, but when one has done the older version as long as I have it is difficult to switch, it is like thinking in English...I'm working on it...I also did not realize the newer version was being used until about my thrid day here...really, this is not putting anybody down, it was a friendly suggestion...

bbb

I don't think you are complaining at all. I posted the link to the fitday thread because it was apparent you didn't know there was one. Just like I sort of figured out you weren't using the 2002 edition because you weren't subtracting fiber.

This is exactly why we have it stated here on ADBB that we use the 2002 edition of the book. We need to have everyone on the same wavelength in order to give accurate information. If we say the book says you eat may eat 1 cup of the "other vegetable" list, but you are using the 1992 book and it says 2/3 cup of the "other vegetable list", then every single time you post a menu, you will be told you aren't eating enough vegetables because our book says something different from yours.

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