I've gained 2 kilos.

[thefemalegreenday]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

Mhm.. Well.. Ill give it some thought. I've talked to a bunch of people about it on yahoo and although you get the occasional person saying this kinda stuff.. Alot of young girls like me reply with "its not a big deal, happens all the time to me." So its kinda the norm I guess.

I could be eating to enough though.. What would you recommend as a menu for me?
I do want to lose, I don't want to lose slowly.. And dairy products are falldown for me...Im really not good with them. Its like once you start the cream cheese or cheese you tend to stop when theres non left XD.
I normally stick to just meals. Its controlled, I like that feeling.

[mitzimarie]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

Alot of young girls like me reply with "its not a big deal, happens all the time to me."

Jennifer, why would you trust the advice of young girls over mature women who have grown up themselves, and raised daughters. Perhaps some of these girls have medical issues, as well. You need to adopt a grown-up perspective on your health. It worries me to see you make statements like: "I don't really care about the period thing..I just wanted to know about how to lose this weight fast." Stand back and take a look at that statement from a responsible point of view.

As for coming up with a menu for you - people often write me, asking me to do this very thing. And I always tell them this: I cannot pick a menu for you... each person's tastes are individual, as is there tolerance for certain foods (for example, your issue with dairy). I will give you a link to a website that a lot of us use for recipes: http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/index.html

And here is the list of foods that you can choose from when doing Induction, which is for 2 weeks. You then start adding back carbs in a specific order.

Acceptable Foods

These are the foods you may eat liberally during Induction:
all fish, all fowl, all shellfish, all meat, all eggs

*Oysters and mussels are higher in carbs than other shellfish, so limit them to four ounces per day.

**Processed meats, such as ham, bacon, pepperoni, salami, hot dogs and other luncheon meats and some fish may be cured with added sugar and will contribute carbs. Try to avoid meat and fish products cured with nitrates, which are known carcinogens. Also beware of products that are not exclusively meat, fish or fowl, such as imitation fish, meatloaf and breaded foods. Finally, do not consume more than four ounces of organ meats a day.

OTHER FOODS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE DURING INDUCTION

Cheese
You can consume three to four ounces daily of the following full-fat, firm, soft and semi-soft aged cheeses*, including:

cheddar
cow, sheep and goat cheese
cream cheese
Gouda
mozzarella
Roquefort and other blue cheeses
Swiss
*All cheeses have some carbohydrate content. The quantity you eat should be governed by that knowledge. The rule of thumb is to count 1 ounce of cheese as equivalent to 1 gram of carbohydrate. Note that cottage cheese, farmer's cheese and other fresh cheeses are not permitted during Induction. No "diet" cheese, cheese spreads or whey cheeses are permitted. Individuals with known yeast symptoms, dairy allergy or cheese intolerance must avoid cheese. Imitation cheese products are not allowed, except for soy or rice cheese but check the carbohydrate content.

Vegetables
You can have two to three cups per day of:

alfalfa sprouts
daikon
mushrooms
arugula
endive
parsley
bok choy
escarole
peppers
celery
fennel
radicchio
chicory
jicama
radishes
chives
lettuce
romaine lettuce
cucumber
moche
sorrel
These salad vegetables are high in phytonutrients and provide a good source of fiber.

Other Vegetables
You can have one cup per day of these veggies if salad does not exceed two cups. The following vegetables are slightly higher in carbohydrate content than the salad vegetables:

artichoke
celery root
pumpkin
artichoke hearts
rhubarb
asparagus
chard
sauerkraut
bamboo shoots
collard greens
scallions
dandelion
snow peas
bean sprouts
dandelion greens
spaghetti squash
beet greens
eggplant
spinach
broccoli
hearts of palm
string or wax beans
broccoli rabe
kale
summer squash
brussels
kohlrabi
tomato
bean sprouts
leeks
turnips
cabbage
okra
water chestnuts
cauliflower
onion
zucchini
If a vegetable, such as spinach or tomato, cooks down significantly, it must be measured raw so as not to underestimate its carb count.

Salad Garnishes

crumbled crisp bacon
grated cheese
minced hard-boiled egg
sauted mushrooms
sour cream

Spices
All spices to taste, but make sure none contain added sugar.

Herbs
basil
garlic
rosemary
cayenne pepper
ginger
sage
cilantro
oregano
tarragon
dill
pepper
thyme
For salad dressing, use oil and vinegar (but not balsamic vinegar, which contains sugar) or lemon juice and herbs and spices. Prepared salad dressings without added sugar and no more than two carbs per tablespoon serving are also fine.

Acceptable Fats and Oils
Many fats, especially certain oils, are essential to good nutrition. Olive oil is particularly valuable. All other vegetable oils are allowed, the best being canola, walnut, soybean, grapeseed, sesame, sunflower and safflower oils, especially if they are labeled "cold-pressed" or "expeller-pressed." Do not cook polyunsaturated oils, such as corn, soybean and sunflower oil, at high temperatures or allow to brown or smoke.

Butter is allowed. Margarine should be avoided, not because of its carbohydrate content, but because it is usually made of trans fats (hydrogenated oils), which are a serious health hazard. (Some nonhydrogenated margarines are available in health-food stores.)

You don't have to remove the skin and fat from meat or fowl. Salmon and other cold-water fish are an excellent source of omega-3 fatty acids.

Remember that trying to do a low-fat version of the Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM will interfere with fat burning and derail your weight loss.

Artificial Sweeteners
You must determine which artificial sweeteners agree with you, but the following are allowed: sucralose (marketed as Splenda), saccharin, cyclamate and acesulfame-K. Natural sweeteners ending in the suffix "-ose," such as maltose, fructose, etc., should be avoided. However, certain sugar alcohols, such as maltitol, do not affect blood sugar and are acceptable.

Saccharin has been extensively studied, and harmful effects were produced in the lab when fed to rats only in extremely high doses. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has removed saccharin from its list of carcinogens, basing its decision upon a thorough review of the medical literature and the National Institute of Science's statement that there is "no clear association between saccharin and human cancer." It can be safely consumed in moderation, meaning no more than three packets a day. Saccharin is marketed as Sweet'n Low.

We discourage the use of aspartame (marketed as NutraSweet and Equal) because of clinical observations that it slows weight loss in certain individuals. The FDA has approved the herb stevia for use only as a supplement, not as a sweetener.

The Atkins preference, however, is sucralose (Splenda), the only sweetener made from sugar. Sucralose is safe, noncaloric and does not raise blood sugar. It has been used in Canada for years, and the FDA recently approved it after reviewing more than 100 studies conducted over the past 20 years. Note that each packet of sugar substitute contains about 1 gram of carbohydrate, so don't forget to include the amount in your daily totals.

Acceptable Beverages
Be sure to drink a minimum of eight eight-ounce glasses of water each day, including:

Filtered water
Mineral water
Spring water
Tap water
Additionally, you can have the following:

Clear broth/bouillon (not all brands; read the label)
Club soda
Cream, heavy or light (limit to two to three tablespoons a day; note carbohydrate content)
Decaffeinated coffee or tea*
Diet soda made with sucralose (Splenda); be sure to count the carbs
Essence-flavored seltzer (must say "no calories" and should not contain aspartame)
Herb tea (without barley or any fruit sugar added)
Lemon juice or lime juice (note that each contains 2.8 grams carbohydrate per ounce); limit to two to three tablespoons
*Excessive caffeine may cause unstable blood sugar and should be avoided by those who suspect they are caffeine dependent. Everyone should try to avoid caffeine. Grain beverages (coffee substitutes) are not allowed. Alcoholic beverages are also not permitted during Induction; those low in carbohydrates are an option, in moderation, in later phases.

Special Category Foods
To add variety, each day you can also eat 10 to 20 olives, half a small avocado, an ounce of sour cream or three ounces of unsweetened heavy cream, as well as two to three tablespoons of lemon juice or lime juice. But be aware that these foods occasionally slow down weight loss in some people, and may need to be avoided in the first two weeks. If you seem to be losing slowly, moderate your intake of these foods.

[not2late]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

When you first begin your periods, it's normal for them to be irregular. So 12, 13, 14, 15 year olds who just started puberty might have irregular periods. But as you age--especially when you get into the "child bearing years", your periods should normalize and become regular. In fact, if you have any irregularities with your period, you should consult your physician asap.

[thefemalegreenday]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

Right, I'll eat more.
Look, my mum thinks it okay and I can't complain to her about it.
If its okay by her watch, theres not alot I can do.

I think i do eat enough though.. the thing is I have ALOT of dinner, like meatwise.
I might try to have smaller dinners and have bigger lunches or something or keep the energy up though.
thanks for the menu site thingie. =]

[kibskix]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

you can complain about whatever you want to complain about. its your body not hers.
i suddenly stopped having my period for -ten months-. i figured it was just because i got off birth control and my body was wigging out for a bit. my mom told me not to worry about it. so i didn't. they came back eventually, but i still skipped now and then. and once again, didnt worry about it, and didn't tell ayone.
turns out i had ovarian cysts, and now i can't have kids.
go to a doctor.

[thefemalegreenday]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

****.. Well, I'm sorry thats happened to you.
What exactly will the doctor do though, I tell him I'm on the atkins diet at 16?
he'll go "You need carbs.. Yadda yadda yadda" and not aprove at all of what im doing.
It won't help and it'll charge my mum money. Where tight for cash..So.. 3 months is nothing really. =/ theres not alot I can do.

[mitzimarie]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

What exactly will the doctor do though, I tell him I'm on the atkins diet at 16?

No one should hide the fact that they're doing Atkins from their doctor.


he'll go "You need carbs.. Yadda yadda yadda" and not aprove at all of what im doing.

Well, he would be right about you needing some healthy carbs. And Dr. Atkins was very firm about checking with your doctor before starting the plan, along with the fact that Atkins was not intended for growing teenagers. Do you know for a fact that your doctor is against the Atkins plan, when done correctly? While there are plenty of doctors who still don't understand Atkins, there are some (like mine) who embrace it. If he is one of those who doesn't understand it, perhaps you could suggest that he read the book before passing judgement. It is true that someone your age shouldn't do Atkins Induction, but you could do a modified Atkins at your age... meaning, you could cut out the refined carbs, and focus on healthy carbs. Rather than being against the Atkins plan itself, I think your doctor would object more to the fact that you were trying to lose weight, at your current weight (on any plan). Perhaps that is what you don't want to hear?


It won't help and it'll charge my mum money. Where tight for cash..So.. 3 months is nothing really. =/ theres not alot I can do.

Jennifer, I disagree with the statement that there is not alot than you can do. I think you need to start approaching your way of eating from a health perspective, rather than a "I want to be thinner, no matter what" perspective. You still have not given us a specific amount of calories or serving sizes of food that you average per day. You use vague terms, such as "plenty" and "enough"... those terms are subjective, based on your perceptions. Since you admit to having a prior eating disorder, those kind of terms are not sufficient for us to dertermine whether you are eating enough or not.

Just a reminder about the Atkins way of eating: The Atkins eating plan emphasizes the benefits of protein and natural fats - AND nutrient-rich carbohydrates. There is a difference in the quality of carbs. The crux of the matter is in limiting carbohydrates and in selecting the right carbohydrates, those most full of nutrients and fiber and those with the lowest impact on your blood sugar. So, not only is it important to choose foods with low carb counts, it is also crucial to select the most nutrient-dense carbohydrate foods. The goal is to eat as many "good" carbohydrates as your body can tolerate without interfering with weight loss or getting your blood sugar out of whack. And you will choose healthy, satisfying whole foods, ones that provide nutrients and fiber. Vegetables, in general, contain "good" carbohydrates, although some are very high in carbs and not as high in nutrient value, and some are the reverse. Most vegetables provide fiber and many healthy phytonutrients (phyto means "plant"), those magical substances found in plants that help us ward off disease. Fortunately, the vegetables that are most dense in nutrients happen also to be those lowest in carbs.

You say you have issues with dairy... have you experimented with legumes, fruit, and whole grains? You need to make certain that you are getting enough calories and nutrients to sustain your growing body. There are plenty of foods out there for you to eat, and still be living lowcarb. I wouldn't advise you to hide anything from your doctor.

[thefemalegreenday]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

Im sorry, I know your trying but really.. I don't need this.
I don't have an eating disorder. I eat plenty!
I may only have 4 eggs during lunch and breakfast but like then I eat atleast 750 calories with my meat and veges.
When I think about it.. My sister had the same problem last year. She skipped hers for 4 months maybe. Shes away now but shes coming back tonight so ill discuss it with her.
She said it just came back randomly and it wasn't a problem..Shes a year older than me..So it kinda makes sense in a way.


All doctors I know or have heard of disagree with it..Specially the one I go too.. I went to her when I got an eating disorder last year and..well.. You can see how stupid id look going back with the same kinda issue but this time I was fine. She wouldn't believe me.
Im not underweight, I do have weight id like to lose, im a size 10-8 not a size 0!
No, I don't plan on being zero.. I just want to be a lose fit 8, thats pretty normal.
Sorry but Im not going to eat that stuff.. It'll make me gain.

I listen to my Mums advice and what shes doing, shes lost alot so far and looks fantastic, plus shes really healthy.
I trust her and if she thinks its okay im going to think its okay.
Sorry.
I am eating healthy though..You have to believe me, I know what starving yourself is like, ive been there. I also know what over eating is like ive been there too.
This is a healthy balance.. The period thing is hard to believe that its happening because im so healthy.

[mitzimarie]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

As you wish, Jennifer... I will bow out now.

I must say, though... I'm not sure what you expect out of us. You started this thread looking for advice. And since this board is based upon the 2002 edition of Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, that is the advice that you received. If you are looking to someone to tell you that it's OK to dismiss the advice of Dr. Atkins, I think that you'll be waiting a long time.

Best of health, and good wishes to you. Take care.

[Kawispice]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

Mitzy,

What classy advice! Thank you for writing, it helped me although I know you were writing to the femalegreenday.

[thefemalegreenday]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

Sorry, I know your just being helpful.
Im not really sure why I posted this.. I guess I don't really think.
Sorry again.
But ill take your advice about the whole eating more, and alot of vegges and stuff.
I've only been consuming ones with little carbs. "The green stuff"
I am trying.. Its just I know ill gain it back if I eat bready or carby foods.. I watched myself gained from anorexia, it was the most scariest thing ever, then from being a normal weight to being overweight. Carbs are so addictive, and even though your not hungry, you carve them, its horrible I lost so much hair so the stress of it all. With Atkins you don't get that nearly so much and hair it finally growing back, its thick and healthy, I feel brilliant.
But I can get fitter, healthier, slimmer yet and I still want to try.
=/ I feel rather awful though, I didn't mean to be rude. I'm not as mature as everyone else here, I guess im still going though the whole 'the world is focusing on me' phase.
It tends to lash out sometimes..

[mitzimarie]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

=/ I feel rather awful though, I didn't mean to be rude. I'm not as mature as everyone else here, I guess im still going though the whole 'the world is focusing on me' phase.
It tends to lash out sometimes..

Sweetie, please know this - I never, ever got the impression that you were being rude. Really! I just want to be sure that you take care of yourself.

[thefemalegreenday]

Re: I've gained 2 kilos.

Well thanks =]