Organic/cage-free eggs

[farmwife]

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Don't Fall for the Fraud and Lies About Free-Range, Cage-Free, Organic Eggs

Claiming eggs laid by "free-range" or "cage-free" chickens are more healthy is one of the latest frauds going around. It touches the heart to think of chickens running free outside eating bugs and grass, but that is not the true situation. They don't know the difference between being in a cage and being in an open pen. Free-range chicken operations have an area when the birds can go outside, but it is not a grassy field with jumping bugs. The eggs are labeled cage-free if the chickens have access to an open dirt area or a slab of concrete even though the birds rarely go there. Chickens are one of the most stupid birds known to man.

"Organic eggs" are promoted by repeating myths, distortions and lies in order to extract triple or ten times the profit from the gullible, brainwashed consumer. The chicken feed is the same in most cases, and all chickens must be treated with insecticides to prevent lice, salmonella and other diseases. Everyone along the supply line from grain farmer, feed manufacture to final egg producer has the opportunity to cheat and reap a huge increase in profits. Don't waste your money on the organic egg scam. Organic eggs are much less healthy because they are more likely to be contaminated with the salmonella bacteria and other diseases.

thats what i read here at this website
Bible Life Ministries - Eggs Do Not Cause Bad Cholesterol.

anyways my opinion about chicken eggs is it depends what they are fed if they are fed there natural diet the eggs will be better for you


and as for dark orangey colourd yolks yes that is the natural colour that would have vitamin K2... However in alot of dark orangey egg yolks you find at the store they are manipulated to look like that for example i saw some but then it said the chickens were fed a vegan diet and i know a vegan diet is not a natural diet for chickens

Egg producers simply add synthesized chemicals called carotenoids or other dyes to the chicken feed that will give the desired darker color yolk to cage-free eggs. or they feed them orange vegetables


anyways there prob is some farms out there that do sell good organic chicken eggs

I find this post EXTREMELY FALSE and a total misrepresentation of facts. BEING an ORGANIC Farmer who happened to raise ORGANIC, CAGE-FREE chickens I am beyond offended. Our chickens, by the way, literally were not in a cage, period. I have friends who raise egg laying chickens and I can also vouch for them. Please stop spreading lies! If you would like to visit an organic farm in person so that you can see that your claims are totally unsubstantiated I can certainly arrange that.

[sallyseachange]

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I think this is pretty common in Europe, isn't it?

And I agree it tastes better.

Fairly common, but getting far less so, sadly. No one has time for such things anymore... and of course, once you've made it you have to eat it fairly quickly, unlike the store bought mayos which last much longer.

Well we have over 30 chickens so all our eggs are cage-free, organic etc. eggs.

Oh wow! Now I know who to come to to ask advice when I get into difficulties with my new (soon to be) hens!!

[Aways2Go]

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While it may not be the idealized version of chickens running around loose in a grassy natural pasture, which is what I STRONGLY prefer and can be had if you purchase free range pastured eggs (farmers markets often have folks selling these), I do think in fact that cage free is at least SOMEwhat preferable to caged as far as the chickens experience goes. If your choice were to be stuck in a tiny wire square 7 feet off the ground in a huge stack with a cage so small you can't even expand your wings and you stand on wire your entire life, would it not seem at least a tiny bit preferable to be loose in a crowded barn where you could at least walk a little and move your wings? Even if you never went outside the tiny door to see the sunshine? Neither is great, but one is at least a LITTLE more normal.

Ziggy, that is some very false and inaccurate information you have there. There are lots of differences in meaning between the terms organic, vegan, cage free, pastured, etc. and while some egg producers may hope to mislead the consumer with labeling, it is up to the consumer to understand what each term means. To lump all of them together in one negative article without discrimination between the differences makes no sense.

While it certainly isn't the ideal, cage free is still preferable to battery caged in the life of the chicken. Much, much better still is pastured free range chickens. There are plenty of small farmers who raise chickens this way. I know several folks who raise chickens like this and sell the eggs, and they are not trying to extort more money for eggs under some false pretense. It takes more work and more money to raise a small flock of chickens and collect the eggs in this way than it does to treat them like egg laying machines instead of an animal. If they supplement their diet with organic feed, that costs more than regular feed. Even if you don't believe it changes the quality of the eggs, some people prefer that because that means they are not paying for eggs which support the liberal use of chemical pesticides (used in farming for the feed) which are polluting our environment. Those are totally separate issues, and both valid.

I find it interesting that your quote attributes this to some page named "BIBLE LIFE MINISTRIES," . . . where in any bible does it say that any creature created by God is so inherently stupid it doesn't recognize when it is essentially tortured and treated like a non-living thing to save consumers a dollar on eggs and thus, because it is "stupid," it is okay to treat it so poorly? No bible or spiritual person worth their salt would condone the sort of treatment chickens in battery cages endure. I think most just ignore it/try not to think about it/feel helpless to change it, and factory farm operations do a good job trying to hide the conditions they impose on animals to save a few cents in operating costs. If the people that operate that website are the ones that wrote that article, I don't care what their website name is, they are not following a spiritual life.

And as far as eggs produced more naturally not being healthier, that's just false. I agree chickens don't naturally eat a vegan diet. That has nothing to do with free range chicken eggs being healthier or not or whether chickens in a tiny wire cage know the difference between that and being free range pastured or at least non-caged. That is a rambling quote you took from them that mixes up all levels of eggs and chicken treatment and thus makes it hard to argue against it's many mixed and non-linear arguments. People choose organic, vegan, cage free, or free range for a large variety of reasons - animal treatment, environmental reasons, health reasons, etc. - and to mix all those choices up and label them the same way (false) is just nonsensical.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet - there is plenty of garbage out there and just because it is written doesn't make it so.

From a farm family, with both organic and old fashioned (turn of the century style) techniques, and none who felt it was ever okay to treat any animal so poorly whether it was the brightest star in the sky or not . . . all sentient life deserves humane treatment during it's life, regardless of whether it is "smart" or is eventually destined to become dinner.

Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I can get really fired up by anyone or anything that seems to try to justify inhumane treatment of any animal.

[GRAPES]

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I find it interesting that your quote attributes this to some page named "BIBLE LIFE MINISTRIES," . . . where in any bible does it say that any creature created by God is so inherently stupid it doesn't recognize when it is essentially tortured and treated like a non-living thing to save consumers a dollar on eggs and thus, because it is "stupid," it is okay to treat it so poorly? No bible or spiritual person worth their salt would condone the sort of treatment chickens in battery cages endure. I think most just ignore it/try not to think about it/feel helpless to change it, and factory farm operations do a good job trying to hide the conditions they impose on animals to save a few cents in operating costs. If the people that operate that website are the ones that wrote that article, I don't care what their website name is, they are not following a spiritual life.

Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I can get really fired up by anyone or anything that seems to try to justify inhumane treatment of any animal.

You make some great points here...

[ziggy]

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I find this post EXTREMELY FALSE and a total misrepresentation of facts. BEING an ORGANIC Farmer who happened to raise ORGANIC, CAGE-FREE chickens I am beyond offended. Our chickens, by the way, literally were not in a cage, period. I have friends who raise egg laying chickens and I can also vouch for them. Please stop spreading lies! If you would like to visit an organic farm in person so that you can see that your claims are totally unsubstantiated I can certainly arrange that.

in my post i also put

:: anyways my opinion about chicken eggs is it depends what they are fed if they are fed there natural diet the eggs will be better for you

anyways there prob is some farms out there that do sell good organic chicken eggs ::

i never said all organic chicken farms are bad i know there are chicken farms out there that are good im just saying you need to becareful not to get scammed because crappy chicken farms could make the same claims of a good chicken farm

the benefit of organic chicken eggs is GREAT compaired to normal chicken eggs

organic chicken eggs have vitamin K2 and such which is VERY good

i know organic animals are MUCH MUCH a world better for you

just a non organic chicken egg farm could say they are organic and trick people into buying non organic chicken eggs


i guess you guys misunderstood what i was trying to say before i know organic and natural is WAY better i want to only eat organic natural i know it is way better for us however i dont want to get tricked and deceived into buying from some non organic chicken farm


and Away2Go

you misunderstood everything i said so this reply for you too

Bible life site was explaining all the tricks and lies people use to sell you non organic chicken eggs while makeing you think they are organic

and no i dont justify inhumane treatment to animals my opinion on animal treatment for what its worth is there bodys should be kept whole and when we want to eat them they get a quick painless death

but what i see happen to animals all the time is they get there organs butcherd off and are forced to live for years afterwards no longer whole that is animal abuse i dont support that at all.

i believe animals should be whole and natural and organic and when we eat them we kill them quick so they dont suffer cause death is just the beginning

[Aways2Go]

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Ziggy -

I did see what you said about your beliefs regarding chickens being fed a natural diet, which I agree with. I did not misunderstand that at all.

However, the fact that you quoted the article implies to me that you surely agree with at least some of it or felt it had some sort of valuable information to impart. With THAT, I would very strenuously disagree - it is full of mixed terms and nonsense arguments and condemning, blanket statements that have little to do with each other.

Perhaps I am gullible (not very damn likely, I might add), but I truly don't believe there is some vast conspiracy going on to trick me into buying organic/cage free/free range labeled eggs which really are not what they are labeled as. I'm sure there are some cheaters out there, as is true of any product, but to write them all off because of a small corrupt percentage is silly. The biggest problem is most likely that consumers don't necessarily understand what exactly is meant by the different terms. I'm not convinced whomever wrote this article does, for that matter. That is not the fault of the egg producer. And I would buy free range/cage free/organic eggs for the sake of the chicken and the environment regardless of whether I believed the egg produced was actually healthier for me personally or not. It isn't all about me - if I buy organic or cage free or free range eggs and willingly pay more it doesn't make me a brainwashed consumer, as the article implies, it means I considered the choices and can afford to pay more for something I think matters.

I also think this quote is total hogwash -
Organic eggs are much less healthy because they are more likely to be contaminated with the salmonella bacteria and other diseases.

Aways2Go
Who has been eating eggs from free range chickens (organic or not) or at least cage free for years as often as I can locate them and afford them and who has yet to suffer from salmonella poisoning or any other diseases related to such as far as I am aware...

[ziggy]

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they put

Don't waste your money on the organic egg scam. Organic eggs are much less healthy because they are more likely to be contaminated with the salmonella bacteria and other diseases.

they put organic egg scam so maybe they were thinking non organic eggs that are called organic eggs but have none of the health bonus of organic eggs because there not really organic and + could have bacteria


anyways

true organic eggs are better and very good for you

fake organic eggs are even worse for you than normal eggs

people lie and steal and everything this is not a conspiracy this is fact the world is evil and so you need to becareful


but ya i agree a bit with you they did not type out or really explain very well in that bible life link

and also there are some things on that bible life site that i do not agree with i dont eat pork but they think it is ok to eat

i also recently learned why rabbits are unclean because they are soo lean they would give you protein posioning if you ate them to much


and personally when i see free range i thought it should mean that chickens have access to a open grassy field with bugs however thats not always the case

i will support and spend my money on true organic and true free range


im fairly sure the bible life link was mostly pointing out the scams people make

you go to the store and you see these items with the stupid health check on them or other things that say they are healthy which is a complete lie

all the cereals that say they are healthy is a complete lie

it gos on and on but then you know organic animals are healthy and find some eggs that say free range thinking these chickens eat a natural diet with bugs and yes that is the case for alot of good chicken farms out there that label free range but also with alot of chicken farms it is not the case so again you have been lied to

[GRAPES]

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Ziggy...just to let you know, I understood that you were not necessarilly condoning the inhumane treatment of animals yourself, you were giving that site as a source of information, as I did mine. But as an animal lover myself, I know we tend to get fired up when we see anything that tries to explain away the way animals are mistreated in the industry, hence the reaction to your source.

[adreliluc]

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Well not sure what to believe after reading all these posts.. LOL!
I only buy organic, cage free, hormone free eggs myself. I do think they taste better... but maybe that's just in my head. ... who knows!
It does suck that advertisers lie and we never really know what we're getting.

I guess what we don't know won't kill us... quickly. lol

[JulieB]

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And at $3.99 for 18, it's a good buy.
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...That's a great price! I bought some today... 6 organic eggs were 1.55 Euro ($2.29). ...

I am paying $3 (Canadian dollars - approx $2.83US) for 12. I'm OK with this since I am supporting a local farmer and getting a great product.

[eclectikat]

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I have not posted here in a while... but am in the process of getting back on the train.

This thread is so interesting.

Let me just say I have 9 hens who provide me with lots of fresh superb eggs. My girls are free range, not now because it is -7 c, and we have a foot of snow but they have a lovely coop and lots of room and fresh foods to eat. I believe without a doubt in the quality of a free range egg over the alternative, as far as organic... I am sure organic are superior but I can't afford an organic lifestyle for my hens so the free range and whole foods they eat give me the egs I need. I actually find I don't need as many eggs, the protiens in my eggs seem denser, and the yolks just richer... YUMMY... find a local health food store and spend the extra... it is so worth it.

Hens are so easy to take care of... if you are able or interested... or inclined... my girls changed my life... I am so happy to have these chickens. ( not that this has anything to do with the post... I am just sayin!!!!)

[sallyseachange]

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Well not sure what to believe after reading all these posts.. LOL!
I only buy organic, cage free, hormone free eggs myself. I do think they taste better... but maybe that's just in my head. ... who knows!
It does suck that advertisers lie and we never really know what we're getting.

I guess what we don't know won't kill us... quickly. lol

Talking about hormone filled eggs... I'm getting quite worried about what those poor chickens get fed. A while ago I bought a box of six eggs... when I cracked the first one open, it had a double yolk, which happens every so often. I cracked open egg number two... it also had a double yolk. In the end, five out of a box of six eggs had double yolks. That to me smacks of massive hormonal interference. I reported it to the supermarket and was pleased to see that that brand of eggs was taken off the shelves.

Can't wait to get my hens... it'll be after the holidays though as I still have to sort out a night area for them that is safe from foxes. They'll have loads of daytime space. I hope they'll get along with my goats!

[LageNomAi]

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Talking about hormone filled eggs... I'm getting quite worried about what those poor chickens get fed. A while ago I bought a box of six eggs... when I cracked the first one open, it had a double yolk, which happens every so often. I cracked open egg number two... it also had a double yolk. In the end, five out of a box of six eggs had double yolks. That to me smacks of massive hormonal interference. I reported it to the supermarket and was pleased to see that that brand of eggs was taken off the shelves.

Can't wait to get my hens... it'll be after the holidays though as I still have to sort out a night area for them that is safe from foxes. They'll have loads of daytime space. I hope they'll get along with my goats!

Here in the States, the use of hormones in poultry has been illegal since the 50s. So when any American poultry product touts its hormone-free state, it's a mere marketing gimmick.

[thepaisleybutterfly]

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Double yolk is a sign of a new layer. Nothing more.

[adreliluc]

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Here in the States, the use of hormones in poultry has been illegal since the 50s. So when any American poultry product touts its hormone-free state, it's a mere marketing gimmick.

Really?? hmm. that's interesting!