atkins failure

[amazon1]

Re: atkins failure

Well, like I said before, I've gotten plenty of good advice on this board.

Seeing patients in an office is not "testing". I don't believe he conducted controlled tests which would be having 100 patients add dairy to their diet before legumes and another 100 adding legumes before dairy. The patients and doctor preferably would not know which group they were in (hard in this case). Then you would be able to say with certainty that it's critical to add dairy before legumes. If Dr. Atkin's were here, I'm pretty sure he'd agree that it's a guideline and the important thing is to cut down carbs, especially the empty calorie ones, while developing a diet without significant omissions and that one can stick with.

[mitzimarie]

Re: atkins failure

Well, like I said before, I've gotten plenty of good advice on this board.

Seeing patients in an office is not "testing". I don't believe he conducted controlled tests which would be having 100 patients add dairy to their diet before legumes and another 100 adding legumes before dairy. The patients and doctor preferably would not know which group they were in (hard in this case). Then you would be able to say with certainty that it's critical to add dairy before legumes. If Dr. Atkin's were here, I'm pretty sure he'd agree that it's a guideline and the important thing is to cut down carbs, especially the empty calorie ones, while developing a diet without significant omissions and that one can stick with.

I can only speak for myself, but my frustration with this thread, is that you appear to want to "poke holes" in the plan as outlined in 2002 DANDR. I understand that you want to tweak the plan. And if your heart is set on it, I say go for it! You have a LOT less weight to lose than the majority of people here. Maybe you can get away with doing it your own way. But please understand - just because you may be able to, doesn't mean that everyone can. We cannot unravel the very thread this board is based upon... especially since this is a support board for 2002 DANDR.

When we suggest that there are other boards that may be more suited to your needs, we are not telling you to "get off" this board. However, we do request that you honor the mission statement of this board, and understand that the advice we give is based upon 2002 DANDR. I am more than sure that there are many members here who tweak the plan. But they have the respect to participate on the board without trying to diminish the plan. We present the information - what you do with it, is your business. We just wish you didn't feel the need to come to a support board for a specific plan, and try to convince us that it's not necessary to follow it as outlined.

[mizski]

Re: atkins failure

Seeing patients in an office is not "testing". I don't believe he conducted controlled tests which would be having 100 patients add dairy to their diet before legumes and another 100 adding legumes before dairy. The patients and doctor preferably would not know which group they were in (hard in this case). Then you would be able to say with certainty that it's critical to add dairy before legumes. If Dr. Atkin's were here, I'm pretty sure he'd agree that it's a guideline and the important thing is to cut down carbs, especially the empty calorie ones, while developing a diet without significant omissions and that one can stick with.

I don't remember how Dr. Atkins came up with the OWL levels. As he explains in DANDR, the levels are food groups with increasingly higher carbs. For weight loss purposes, one should start with lower levels (lower carbs) and maybe stay on those lower levels (1-4) longer for optimum weight loss.

Don't know if there were scientific studies but I do know that this makes sense. Those with a lot of weight to lose do better hanging around in the lower rungs.

Re: the legumes before dairy example, carbwise legumes are waay higher in carbs than dairy is. Having legumes early in one's Atkins journey could dramatically slow weight loss and with a lot of weight left to lose, the dieter could become frustrated and give up.

Re: the timeframe to move up the rungs, I think that after a week it is a personal decision. I moved up fairly quickly so I could have some blueberries in the summer and some legumes in the winter. And I learned that these cannot be regular fare in my diet right now. In actuality I'm in OWL rung 3 most days.

Hope this made sense. Interesting discussion.

[Skeptika23]

Re: atkins failure

Georgiana - the response to reasonable, non-abusive questioning of minor things in the diet should not be, "Get off this board unless you agree with every single thing in DANDR 2002". That would be the response if it were a religious cult. But we wouldn't be able to drink the Kool-aid...

Actually, I think many of us have said many times in various ways that we follow DANDR 2002 pretty closely here, and that if you want to seek alternates to that, good luck, and there's plenty of places that will support that point of view - but ADBB ain't it.



Try another board, they have a lot of different variants on low carb diets there, and support structures to match. I visit and read that forum often, and I think you'd be much more likely to get people on board with what you're thinking there.

If you choose to think that our adherence to DANDR 2002 is "cultish" - well, that's your right.

I don't understand what you hope to get out of this disussion, to be honest, because you're only going to get answers (for the most part) that come straight from DANDR 2002.

[liv]

Re: atkins failure

Please keep to the topic of the orignal poster. The other posts were moved to chat

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/chit-chat/84382-some-chit-chat.html

[amazon1]

Re: atkins failure

I was actually happy with the answers to my 2 original questions.

I think I looked at at least one other board and the people seemed pretty clueless. There were a lot of nice, supportive answers. I wasn't asking for any advice which really had anything to do with any of things we're arguing about (originally). I would actually like to ask another question. I'm going to try it on the main board.

[Georgiana]

Re: atkins failure

Those with a lot of weight to lose do better hanging around in the lower rungs.

"Note that few people will be able to add back all these food groups in OWL. Those on the second half of the list tend to rank higher on the glycemic index and are more commonly introduced in Pre-Maintenance. Following this order tends to minimize blood-sugar surges that could reactivate cravings." (Chapter 14, DANDR 2002)