alcohol allowed?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: alcohol allowed?

Dr. Atkins wrote:

"Alcoholic beverages are also not permitted during Induction;"

Hard to consider that being the "Atkins Mafia" approach ...

Telling a newbie that on Induction, "Everyone is different, so try it and see." is very bad advice.

>>The main problem with alcohol is that you want a pizza when you're drunk>>

Sigh.

[mission to lose]

Re: alcohol allowed?

I have always drank wine or spirits on Atkins and found that it does nothing to my weight loss. Beer is packed full of carbs so I avoid that. The main problem with alcohol is that you want a pizza when you're drunk, but if you can avoid this then you might be ok. Everyone is different, so try it and see. Alcohol helps lower blood sugar levels, and stops this way of eating turning into something that you can't sustain. I'm all for a drink and I've lost plenty of weight.

Further to this, I've not had any "attempt" I simply have stuck to low-carb from day one, and have drank alcohol and had reasonable amount of days off the diet when I've chosen to.

I don't really like this 'Atkins Mafia' approach to the diet when any reasonable suggestion that differs from Dr Atkins' Bible is shot down with zeal. It is only by fiddling about with the diet and changing it to suit your taste and lifestyle that it changes properly from a 'diet' to a lifestyle such as vegetarian or vegan.

It's best to find your own happy medium, with or without alcohol.

Hello, Chubbyroman, With all due respect, you can follow your own version of Atkins, but the version of Atkins followed here is:

Dr. Atkins in Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, 2002 ed.

There are plenty other "low carb" sites that are open to other ways to follow low carb, so if you want to do it your own way, please feel free to join one of those, but don't hang here and criticize advice given here supported by the book.



Don't criticize them for not bending because you want to encourage other to change Atkins to fit their own taste. Here we do not promote/condone the idea to change it around to fit our own "lifestyle." The mods and pros are here to give advice from the book. Through experience it has been shown that following the book properly brings about the best results not just for losing, but also for the long term.



You are actually suggesting that others "try it and see." You are encouraging others to drink alcohol on Induction.



Yes, "The Atkins Mafia" if that is what you want to call it, is going to call you on it when you suggest to follow the diet/WOE differently, because then it is not truly Atkins. And this site is to follow the true way of Atkins.


You are perfectly ok to do what you want, but please don't encourage others here to do the same. Many people are struggling enough to stay on track, they do not need encouragement to "do it their own way."


Let me also say, I do miss my evening Martini, and I am not telling you to stop enjoying your drink of choice, I am not anti drinking---but you even said yourself, alcohol can lower you will power, or at least you said you want a pizza when you are drunk. And some people have a few drinks and cheat here and there, before they know it, they have fallen off the WOE completely.


OK, I put my 2 cents in. I am finished talking. Good luck to you, and Congrats on your weight loss so far!

[not2late]

Re: alcohol allowed?

Atkins allows for "experimentation" in order to make the Diet suitable to one's needs. That experimentation is done during On-Going Weight Loss Phase, NOT during Induction Phase. Therefore, telling a person on Induction to go ahead and experiment as they go along is bad advice.

I do realize that some folks call any low carb diet (ie: meat and eggs only, less than 5 net carbs daily, etc.) "Atkins", when in reality it is not. Atkins has specific rules and criteria. I'm pretty sure if someone were to debate with you at your pub that American football is the same game as European football because they are both called football and are played using a ball, you wouldn't acquiesce to that person's ridiculus assertions. And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like if that person should call you a Football **** or a Football Zealot because you don't think the Dallas Cowboys play the same football game as Manchester United, because your little Football Bible tells you otherwise.

[brandywine1241]

Re: alcohol allowed?

Atkins allows for "experimentation" in order to make the Diet suitable to one's needs. That experimentation is done during On-Going Weight Loss Phase, NOT during Induction Phase. Therefore, telling a person on Induction to go ahead and experiment as they go along is bad advice.

The way I look at it, Dr. Atkins treated thousands of people over his career. I believe the OWL rungs were created the way they were because he learned through experience that this is the way for the most people to have the greatest success in losing weight and in the process discovering which foods they individually have to avoid. Add in pre-maintenance where you discover your own personal carb limit to avoid gaining weight, and bingo! You have your own personalized plan for lifetime eating. Lots of people paid Dr. Atkins mega bucks to have him reveal these principles, individualized to their own situation, one step at a time. And there are probably hundreds of people on this site that will tell you it works.

I think it is quite possible that there are those who think it is OK to have alcohol on induction wonder why they have lost very little or no weight and/or have not gone into ketosis when their carbs are less than 20. They forget that the alcohol is burned first before fat metabolism is even begun.

By the way, Megs, I love your football analogy!

[not2late]

Re: alcohol allowed?

By the way, Megs, I love your football analogy!

I could only imagine the brouhaha if Tony Romo and the rest of the Cowboys were to pass the ball to one another by kicking it back and forth or if Beckham were to tuck the ball under his arm and run with it to the goal. And if these footballer players were to say "Hey, we did that because we needed to adapt the game to suit our playing needs and to win. And for the Football Zealots who say we should follow the rules...rules smules !!!! This is works for us! The rules don't apply to everyone! Don't be angry because we found a way to win without following the rules." I'm sure more fans would want them thrown out of the game than would think "Yeah, if that's the only way for Romo or Beckham to win, they should do it! Everyone's different: you Football Zealots need to lighten up! Who cares if they aren't following the "rules"....as long as they win, it's okay!"

Human behavior is interesting...it's a no-no if you don't follow the rules of a game or a sport because that's entertainment and no one should mess with entertainment. But it's okay to break/bend/upend the rules of a diet that will improve your health because it's just your health and it's not as important as entertainment.

[brandywine1241]

Re: alcohol allowed?

To carry the football anology a little further, suppose Romo hits a slump and decides to go to England to a football clinic for some pointers to improve his game. When he gets there, he declares he doesn't like it one bit because they keep telling him he can't pick up the ball and won't even listen to his reasons why he has to.

[billgood]

Re: alcohol allowed?

I drank Vodka with diet coke or diet sprite,freska and it never affected my wieght lose.I only drank on weekends,not everyday,lol. For drinking rum i think as long as its not a spiced rum with sugar added it should be alright.I know a lot of Atkins followers believe you shouldnt drink at all,but i drink and have great success with this diet.Your call!
Bill

[billgood]

Re: alcohol allowed?

I thought the question was "Can i drink after induction",why is everyone argueing about drinking while on induction?

[Georgiana]

Re: alcohol allowed?

I know a lot of Atkins followers believe you shouldnt drink at all

Alcohol is fine from OWL Rung 5 on.

Induction is NOT the only phase of Atkins.

Once one reaches OWL Rung 5, having an occasional drink is perfectly fine as long as it does not interfere with weight loss.

[Georgiana]

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I thought the question was "Can i drink after induction",why is everyone argueing about drinking while on induction?

The OP has not reached OWL Rung 5.

[mission to lose]

Re: alcohol allowed?

I thought the question was "Can i drink after induction",why is everyone argueing about drinking while on induction?

Further down the posts we are also discussing/commenting about a poster that was encouraging drinking any time, including Induction, and encouraging doing your own thing, etc. The subject/discussion changed a little down the line in response to that poster.

[billgood]

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I drank after induction.I will have to find my old worn out paprback and reread that part.I only remember it telling me,no alcohol during induction and after this it "may" slowdown your weight lose so beware of this.It didnt affect me.I lost my 40lbs in about 5 months.That was more than my goal.
Back in the 70,s this diet used to be know as the "drinkers diet".Not trying to argue,as im sure you know better,lol,just telling you how it went for me
Bill

[MelTin]

Re: alcohol allowed?

The nice thing about this forum is that you can usually get someone to tell you what you want to hear. We get hundreds of people on here who say they understand Atkins completely but such and such doesn't apply to them so can they do this instead and usually someone will tell them, sure since you are different, you can do Atkins your way. Most of the people who do Atkins their way disappear from the forum in short order. But a few of them will show up again in a year or two or five and say I am back and restarting Atkins and I am going to do it by the book this time. Sometimes that works and sometimes not.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: alcohol allowed?

>>I drank Vodka with diet coke or diet sprite,freska and it never affected my wieght lose.>>

You don't really know that though.

[Slapshot]

Re: alcohol allowed?

>>I drank Vodka with diet coke or diet sprite,freska and it never affected my wieght lose.>>

You don't really know that though.

True. Also, he should know that it certainly "affected" at least the rate of his weight loss. On some level or another, he delayed fat loss while his body processed the alcohol. Therefore, it "affected" his weight loss, even if it delayed reaching some sort of goal.