cupcakes & beer

[Shoe Lady]

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Good for you JaxMama. It's your diet woe wol !! Some of these folks don't realize that they come off holier than tho and turn people off rather than help. You are free to post what you want. Good luck.

[Suzanne_H]

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Holier than thou if you wish to call it that... look at the join dates of those who posted. The folks who have been here for the long haul, made their goal weight and kept it off have basically agreed that allowing occasional cheats are not a part of doing Atkins.

I have a friend who asks me occasionally, "How's that workin' for ya?" She's very wise.

[Maggiemuggs]

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I just think that we have to look at this both ways. Yes people who have done this WOE and not cheated, good for you. But I'm sure there are many other people who have cheated and totally stopped because they are in a cycle of beating themselves up and thinking they are doomed to failure, instead of just saying, I made a mistake, but I'm going to pick myself up and continue on. We also don't want people scared to admit they made mistakes or ask questions on how to get back on track.

[adreliluc]

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Holier than thou if you wish to call it that... look at the join dates of those who posted. The folks who have been here for the long haul, made their goal weight and kept it off have basically agreed that allowing occasional cheats are not a part of doing Atkins.

I have a friend who asks me occasionally, "How's that workin' for ya?" She's very wise.

I honestly didn't read through this whole thread and don't really care to get 'into it'... but Dr. A did say that in maintenance you can have the occassional splurge... You can call it a 'cheat', 'carb load', etc but really it's the same thing.

For those losing - of course you wouldn't want to cheat. You're only setting yourself up for failure and making things MUCH harder on yourself then they need to be.

Lets remember that we're all here for the same purpose - to lose weight and encourage each other through the process. We don't have to be rude - no matter which side of the fence you're on.

Those trying to help may come across rude sometimes - I agree!
Yet those of you who feel the need to call those trying to help out aren't really helping either.

Anyway, in the end you're going to do what you want to do. I hope it works out for you and if not - we're still here to help.



PS. Suzanne - this wasn't directed toward you LOL.

[dewdropinn]

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I don't think peole are meaning to chastise and to make you feel bad. I agree that people make slip ups, but they either will go off plan, or dig in the next day. And you have decided to dig in, but You already have stated that you have more plans cheats in the near future. So I think that could be the problem with not getting the full support.

[miller98b]

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JaxMama, I understand where you are coming from and the fact that you are trying to look at the "cheat day" as a minor slipup as opposed to a major falldown. Keeping things not-so-serious keeps things in perspective. I also understand that the people who have been here for many years have responded to the same questions and problems over and over again and seen the results of bad advice or bad choices. I think they come across as really trying to dissuade you from making mistakes that they have seen over the years and from keeping bad information off the site.

You KNOW there will be one new person who will look at your post and say "Woohoo, I can cheat and it doesn't matter." The people on this site put in a tremendous amount of effort and care it probably is hard for them when things aren't done right. Then they have to help people fix the problems with untold amounts of advice and support. They are all here to help, even if someone may seem "rude."

You are right, don't beat yourself up about a "Cheat Day," but don't make it a habit. Also, if "cheat days" work for you, keep it to yourself, because then I would have to hate you and that is not fun

[keriann_forgoodthistime]

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BUT, congrats to you for jumping back on and not beating yourself up over it. Some of us do and we certainly don't need the added guilt. Your great.

DITTO. There are many many people here with the mindset - and it IS for good reason, I must add - that even "one little bite" is not welcome and that "cheating" under no circumstances is "allowed".
There are many people here who NEED to adhere to that mindset - for themselves.

You must remember that ANY way of eating is a "YMMV" your mileage may vary. Now I'm not saying that to give you "permission" to 'cheat' by any mans - but I totally agree with you that sometimes you just have to make a conscious decision that "it's my daughter's birthday and I'm going to enjoy this 1 slice of cake" and get right back "on plan".

Now, I WOULD honestly say that should come MUCH later in life, once you've gotten more into maintenance mode...MOST people DO tend to "fall off the wagon" with just that "one bite". I USED to be like that - but now that I've made low-carb living my lifestyle 100% AND I AM in maintenance - I can agree with you that it's "ok" to celebrate every now and then.

For those who have the "no-cheating whatsoever" mindset - that works for them and they need that. It's a good thing.
But for those who CAN "celebrate" every once in a blue moon - and NOT go back down that slippery slope - then that's a good thing too.

It is really all about learning what works for YOU.
However - always remember no one will truly "congratulate" you for doing something that isn't how the program is planned - which I can understand because they are here to encourage you to follow the plan exactly, as that is what this board is for.

[adreliluc]

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Also, if "cheat days" work for you, keep it to yourself, because then I would have to hate you and that is not fun

Teehee!!!

[2big4mysize]

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I honestly didn't read through this whole thread and don't really care to get 'into it'... but Dr. A did say that in maintenance you can have the occassional splurge... You can call it a 'cheat', 'carb load', etc but really it's the same thing.

For those losing - of course you wouldn't want to cheat. You're only setting yourself up for failure and making things MUCH harder on yourself then they need to be.

Lets remember that we're all here for the same purpose - to lose weight and encourage each other through the process. We don't have to be rude - no matter which side of the fence you're on.

Those trying to help may come across rude sometimes - I agree!
Yet those of you who feel the need to call those trying to help out aren't really helping either.

Anyway, in the end you're going to do what you want to do. I hope it works out for you and if not - we're still here to help.



PS. Suzanne - this wasn't directed toward you LOL.

look at what you posted but Dr. A did say that in maintenance you can have the occassional splurge...
yep when one is at goal weight and in maintnenace if one isn't a carboholic they can do that.

But this was an inductee and in induction Dr Atkins says eat nothing that is not on the acceptable foods list. this means absolutly nothing!.. DANDR chapter 11 rule 5

It is very hard to see an inductee planning to cheat knowing from seeing yrs of other inductees who also thought they too could cheat and get right back on induction and get to goal weight fail to get back and disappear or become a yo-yo inductee cause they start and stop so often. They have the best intentions but just can't follow through and wonder why.

MAybe Jaxmama is the rare person who will be able to cheat her atkins celebrating life's events high carb but we won't know until she arrives at goal weight and that is a lengthy journey full of unknows so for me it is better to nudge her to following Dr Atkins blueprint for known success and that is how I reply to all posts be they inductees OWLers Premaintnenace folk and even goalies.

[adreliluc]

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That's why I said in maintenance. - and I was responding to Suzanne's comment about 'cheating not being Atkins'.
Now cheating isn't necessarily Atkins but in maintenance you obviously can have that splurge if so desired - therefore - it can be a part of Atkins.

I clearly said - while losing -(that's obviously not somebody in maintenance) - then they shouldn't cheat.


Encouraging someone to follow the Atkins blueprint is great. I'm all for it.

[poobears1972]

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It looks like OP only has a few pounds to lose anyways. I'm not sure she should even be in induction. Especially since you can't get your carbs in the induction category why not move through the rungs. With 13lbs or less there's no way you will get through them and learn the program before you at goal. Of course you may not be planning on this being a lifestyle change I don't know.

I think you need to look at the differences in you and many posters. You are losing a few pounds so slip ups are no big deal, you are still healthy. Others have 50, 100, 200+ lbs to lose, they cant' afford to slip up, their health and literally their lives are on the line. So when they see someone taking it so lightly they get upset, cant' blame them.

I do believe you have to find what works for you but don't be surprised when you catch some negative opinions posting about cheating and future planned cheating on a board that is meant to encourage people to stay on plan and hopefully extend their lives in the end.

[LilliStarr]

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"I think you need to look at the differences in you and many posters. You are losing a few pounds so slip ups are no big deal, you are still healthy. Others have 50, 100, 200+ lbs to lose, they cant' afford to slip up, their health and literally their lives are on the line. So when they see someone taking it so lightly they get upset, cant' blame them."

Poobears1972, thank you for already posting what I was just about to post myself! Most of the people telling her there is no way back have a lot to lose and it is a matter of life and death. The OP and myself are trying to lose about the same amount of weight, and I guess they might be considered vanity pounds because our health isn't on the line. Either way, like someone else stated, no matter how much or how little we have to lose we are all struggling to lose weight. I'm thankful for this board and reading about everyone's personal experiences. It helps me put things into perspective, and makes me realize that we're all just a bunch of human beings working towards the same goal.

[JaxMama]

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True, true, I already mentioned that on another forum before this one. It's very different when someone wants to lose weight to look their best than to save their life (and then look their best). As I mentioned before that some may have read, I was overweight for 1 year after I had my daughter and I used Atkins induction and several OWL weeks to lose the weight and get back to a normal BMI. I did 6 months and then just lost track.

So in my defense, being on the high side of my normal BMI, I don't have to follow "Atkins" but I can follow his rule of thumb- carbs/flour/sugar are bad.

I am going to weigh myself tomorrow and if my weight is up again I know there is a problem. I am used to going up on the scale before going down (dramatically) but 3 days in a row gaining is not like me on any low carb program I do. Am I paying for Sat? Maybe, but not 3 lbs worth. If so, I have to get back on the real Atkins Induction and I am not deterred from success.

I can't find my dang book. I thought I took it from my dad and I guess I will have to buy another. Crap, where is the nearest used book store??

Best of luck to EVERYONE!

Jaxmama

[Desertthorn]

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I found a couple copies at Goodwill, you may want to check there.

[poobears1972]

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I bought my book on Ebay, total with shipping was under $5 and it was here in a couple of days. No local stores to buy it so it was cheaper than paying gas to drive around and find it. Think you can get it cheap on Amazon too if you don't mind ordering online and waiting a few days.