New Atkins for a New You - anyone have it?

[Georgiana]

Re: New Atkins for a New You - anyone have it?

being Vegan is down right insain and is so unhealthy it will kill you

That's a bit extremist, don't you think? With smart food choices, being a vegan can be healthy and it certainly won't "kill you"!

you can be vegetarian and still do atkins cause they eat eggs and fish so did you mean vegetarian?

Not all vegetarians eat eggs or fish, as it was pointed out to you here:

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/1192439-post13.html

[ziggy]

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oh i missed that reply about different types of vegetarians xD

but some of the types of veganism there i don't see how people could live like that unless they eat alot of insects which they probably do cause thats not animal flesh or animal products

one of the reasons im so harsh is cause i have never seen a healthy vegan

[liv]

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i find this extremely hard to believe how can the core plan stay the same while at the same time many more options for Vegans? being Vegan is down right insain and is so unhealthy it will kill you. but real atkins is eating healthy and being healthy

however you can be vegetarian and still do atkins cause they eat eggs and fish so did you mean vegetarian?

They probably think we are insane But the book does suggest that both vegans and vegetarians start in OWL with quite a few carbs and a lot more choices for nuts, and beans to get more of the protein that they need. And their menu suggestion for vegetarians suggest a fair bit of (yes I know you will have a small fit here ziggy ) soy.

[Baylor]

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Thank you much to everyone - I am so excited about getting the book now. I eat very little meat so I am really looking forward to reading about the veggie and vegan options. I'm so glad you posted here Baylor - I am so much looking forward to reading your story and being inspired by you!

Thank you! I have to tell you I have been looking around here and seeing some incredible success stories myself! I am so inspired!!

You are the reason I stopped by! When I saw the thread title I was so excited other people were talking about it too.

[mizski]

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I do like the plans for vegheads too. In DANDR, the plans for these groups were less clear and I wonder if many of them gave up on Atkins in frustration or turned to things like eco-atkins (lower case intentional) which is not Atkins at all. Also mentioned is a plan for the Latino community which is really common sense but acknowledges their culinary heritage and explains that they can do Atkins without all the rice/grains in the beginning.

The artificial sweetener list has been modernized to include xylitol and stevia along with Splenda and saccharin.

I particularly enjoyed the chapter on fats which explained omega-3 vs omega-6 and the different fats we need (MUFAs, PUFAs and SFAs) and the roles they play in our health. Now, this is a very easy to understand writeup and I found it to be an excellent companion to Dr. Atkins' scientific explanations in DANDR. Personally, I love the more scientific terms and processes that I've read in DANDR and here on this board by some of our posters that are very knowledgeable in this area. But I'm thinking that info might have overwhelmed some new Atkineers.

The recipes are not like those we find on Linda Sue's website but rather it is a collection of sauces, flavored butters & oils, rubs, marinades and salad dressings enabling even the novice cook to put together simple meals using these recipes to prepare proteins and veggies.

The writeup on inflammation and CRP levels provided me with more info than I remember in DANDR and explains how Atkins can reduce inflammation in our bodies. Anti-inflammatory diets are very popular now (Dr. Weil and others) and maybe this wasn't the case back in 2002.

Those are some of the things I liked in the new book. There are other things that I am still pondering as I'm not quite sure what to think.

[Baylor]

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Mizski good review! I agree with all that you said, although I love that there are breakfast Ideas right there in the Owl section. People are always looking for more breakfast stuff.

I think that this book is the most user friendly to come out. I really see it playing more to the masses and anyone who picks this book up without ever having support from any where else can do this and customize it and really find the best Atkins for them.

I think it considers individuals where as the other books while taking that into account still seemed more across the board.

[The One]

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There are other things that I am still pondering as I'm not quite sure what to think.

Like what?

[liv]

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I would have liked to see more science too Mizski because those are three very interesting learned men writing it but I can understand that they did not go there as this is a guide to how the do the diet. They do have very learned footnotes though. I also liked the omega discussion and the fructose discussion in there.

[ziggy]

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They probably think we are insane But the book does suggest that both vegans and vegetarians start in OWL with quite a few carbs and a lot more choices for nuts, and beans to get more of the protein that they need. And their menu suggestion for vegetarians suggest a fair bit of (yes I know you will have a small fit here ziggy ) soy.

well in the new atkins book i hope they stress the importance of 100% properly fermented soy which i only know of japan that does that soo far

heres an example of what happens when soy is not fermented properly

Cruel and Unusual Punishment: Soy Diet for Illinois Prisoners | Soy Alert!

also more info about soy
The Ploy of Soy | Soy Alert!

[Aways2Go]

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Just for the record, I personally know a number of vegans and vegetarians (somewhere around 20 or so I imagine) who are quite healthy, lean but fairly muscular, run 5ks, do heavy manual labor on a regular basis, etc. I only know two vegetarians I would consider unhealthy, and that is because their reasons for being vegetarian are not for health reasons but animal rights, thus they eat chips and soda and french fries and cookies and so forth. Those two are both overweight, for obvious reasons.

Ziggy I realize you have issues with this, but really you should consider that although it may not work for you, and though you may not personally KNOW anyone like this, it does work for some people and can produce perfectly healthy humans. I know a guy in his mid 30s who has NEVER eaten meat/fish/chicken (knowingly) and only occasionally eats things like butter or eggs. He lifts weights, plays pickup basketball with his buddies regularly, does a little jogging here and there, etc. He is FAR from looking like a scarecrow, and no one would ever look at him and think he is unhealthy looking or sickly. He doesn't tell most people he is a vegetarian because he doesn't want to hear their crap about how it is unhealthy or unnatural when it has been working fine for him for three and a half decades. Who am I to tell him it is unhealthy when he has no related health issues from it, is strong and active. Look up "vegan bodybuilders" sometime for some extreme examples.

I would like to be a vegetarian myself, for a number of reasons, but it doesn't work for me... I tend to stay hungry and not lose enough weight. But I don't imagine that just because I have not found it to be workable for me that it can't for others - there is a lot of variation in the world.

I'm looking forward to getting a copy of the book and am glad they are adding some info to make it more workable for more types of eaters. Still following DANDR, but always glad to read more.

[ziggy]

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im talking about the vegans who don't eat any animal products that means no eggs or butter

vitamin K2 only comes from animal products or a human mothers breast milk

i know if a vegetarian eats atleast some eggs and butter they can be reasonably healthy

[Aways2Go]

Re: New Atkins for a New You - anyone have it?

The highest measured amount of K2 in a natural food product is in fermented soybean. Other fermented foods such as sauerkraut can also provide K2. Just FYI.

[ziggy]

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oh i never knew that

edit:

However, only MK4 has demonstrated the ability to decrease fractures, the most relevant end point in randomized, controlled clinical trials.9,10,11 Additionally, people with an allergy to soy can react to MK7, since it is produced from soy fermentation. People with celiac disease and gluten intolerance frequently have allergies to other foods, such as soy. MK4 is hypoallergenic

They concluded that 45 mg of vitamin K2 as menaquinone-4 (MK-4) could decrease vertebral fracture by 60%, hip fracture by 73%, and all nonvertebral fractures by 81%

ok MK4 type of Vitamin K2 is what i was looking for thats only in animal products and a human mothers breast milk


Other animals like rats and ruminants can synthesize MK-4 from the plant form of vitamin K, known as vitamin K1 or phylloquinone. Human beings can’t convert the plant form to MK-4, with one notable exception: women can, to some extent, convert phylloquinone to menaquinone-4 in breast milk, which is a sign that MK-4 is especially crucial for infant development. Otherwise, we seem designed to get this vitamin from animal sources, just as our ancestors have been doing for millenia.

Vitamin K2 MK-4 is found in foods like grass-fed butter, organ meats, marrow and beef fat, as well as fish eggs, and the organs (and possibly the extracted fats) of some fatty fishes.


It turns out there’s another good, inexpensive dietary source that will appeal more to some vegetarians (although not vegans, sorry): pasture-raised chicken eggs.

http://www.gofrolic.org/gofrolic/food_blog/Entries/2009/3/15_Eggs_and_Vitamin_K2_MK-4_(menaquinone-4).html

[firstlady]

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I bought my book from Barnes and Noble! Easy read...I like it.

[Baylor]

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I think that one thing essential to remember is that we are all different. We have different preferences, different, metabolisms...

I think that this book provides options to reach so much more of the population. It makes it easy and accessible and I think is still a great read and full of great information for us Atkins vets...