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    Somebody please consider making this a sticky and recommended reading for old and new members alike:

    Why do people gather to a bulletin board like ADBB?

    It is simple enough, for SUPPORT! To put themselves in a place where others understand what they are going through. To get answers to questions to questions on the particular subject of the board. To seek out new friends. The list goes on...

    Yet, it seems that, no matter what the subject of the bulletin board, forum or chat group, there are always those who, TO ME, seem to have the wrong understanding of the purpose of the board.

    I have read through, made replies and asked questions during the past week that I have been on the board. During that time I have had seen people give wrong information and make statements contrary to the writings of the author of DANDR.

    I've seen people's comments that ranged from polite, friendly and helpful to downright rude, hateful and wrong.

    While I want those who have been on the side of the scale from moderately neutral all the way to polite, friendly and helpful to understand how much I appreciate their past, present and future contributions on behalf of those, like me, who come along and decide to sign on the the Atkins Plan, this thread IS NOT about you. So please do not take this as such.

    My concern is about those who lean towards the rude, hateful and wrong side of the scale all the way to those who make up the base line for the category.

    I've seen comments that, as I read them, are downright mean spirited. They are ended with comments like "If I seem hard, it's because I've been there." Or, I have seen statements like "I don't mean to be rude, but..."

    The problem with the word "but" in statements like those is they cancel out the first part of the statement AND let you know that the speaker,,,IS ABOUT TO BE RUDE!

    I had one member here, listed as an ADBB Admiral (yes they will probably figure out who I am talking about) say in a thread the testing your ketones with strips may give you a false reading caused by the glucose in your urine.
    This is blatantly and scientifically FALSE! When challenged on the statement blew it off. When it was explained that Keto Stix DO NOT test for glucose, I repeat they do not react to glucose, the only response was a simple "yes."

    For those advocates of the TOUGH LOVE philosophy, I recommend renting and watching the movie "Only the Lonely" (John Candy and Maureen O'Hara to see the effects of just telling it like it is.

    Over the years I have had the opportunity to read 3 of Dr. Atkins books. I have had the opportunity to see interviews by him from the early 80s till not so long before his death. Not once, NOT A SINGLE TIME, do I recall reading him as mean, unfriendly or rude. Not one time do I recall seeing him on TV where he didn't have a smile on his face and a positive desire for those in need of his knowledge.

    So why, would anybody use this bulletin board, designed to expand his work and his program, for the purpose of beating down anyone who is trying to succeed in changing their lifestyle, even if it done in the spirit of "hard truth."

    I would guess that the MAJORITY of the members on this board are here because they were, or are seeking a better, more healthier lifestyle. Some started with less of a challenge while others come with life threatening health issues and/or morbid obesity. (I am one of the more serious, health wise.)

    For all, I would ask as you make your entries to the newbies of the group and to those simply asking questions to fine tune their personal program, that you write your reply, then go back and read it and ask yourself, if someone spoke to me this way would I be more likely to abandon the plan, abandon the board, cry or punch you in the nose. Then either hit "Submit" or go back and modify the entry to make it more "User Friendly."

    Absolutely everyone who feels they don't look good in their own skin, who don't feel good in the daily lives are already experiencing conditions that can result in depression, sensitive and self conscious, they can feel trapped and alone. So why would anyone having success with Atkins intentionally do anything that might force them to abandon their efforts to save themselves, run from this board back to the bad habits of their previously unsuccessful life style, or just feel like they were unnecessarily abused?

    Those who have had success making the change to Atkins, owe the good Dr. for providing a way to change their own lives for the better. So use what you have learned to help those just getting started to make the same lifesaving change.

    For those whose comments bring hope and a little sunshine to members who might be unable to get their Atkins plan kicked in or those who might have reached a sticking point. I offer a big THANKS!

    To those who do not, my suggestion is to increase your fiber, put a smile on your face and and rejoin the forum with a better attitude, or just learn to keep your comments to yourself! (Just telling it like it is!)

    forbey



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    Max Weight - Feb 2009 - 354
    (Pre-Atkins weight loss 64 lbs, stalled in Dec 2009)
    Re-started Atkins: Feb 2010 * 290 lbs

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    Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

    Amen!
    "You always had it. You always had the power."~~ Glinda the Good Witch

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    • #3
      Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

      On top of every post there is a red triangle. It is a report this post triangle. If a person clicks on that one the post will be reported to the mod forum and mods will deal with it. If anyone gets wrong information this is the thing to do for sure or if there is spam or if there is rudeness.

      Another thing that unavoidably happens in communities like this one, which is open, is personality conflicts. If anyones starts to dislike an individual I think the best thing to do is to use the ignore this poster methods. I sometimes do that to give myself a cooldown
      Here is information of how to do that


      In ADBB we have been good at working with each other even though not all of us agree on everything all the time. I think that is a great thing about us.
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      • #4
        Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

        Thanks for the info, Liv.

        I may have not sufficiently emphasized the point that the vast majority of what I have read meets the "friendly helper" test. I am concerned about that minority who are not.

        forbey



        Move Yer Bloomin Arse Challenge
        Entering the Nuclear Arms Race,
        One Rep at a Time!


        Max Weight - Feb 2009 - 354
        (Pre-Atkins weight loss 64 lbs, stalled in Dec 2009)
        Re-started Atkins: Feb 2010 * 290 lbs

        Get blood sugars to normal and under control. April 18, 2010 (1st time EVER w/o the help of Insulin!)
        Next Goal: 280!

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        • #5
          Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

          Originally posted by forbey View Post
          I had one member here, listed as an ADBB Admiral (yes they will probably figure out who I am talking about) say in a thread the testing your ketones with strips may give you a false reading caused by the glucose in your urine.
          This is blatantly and scientifically FALSE!
          You have misread that. No one wrote that Ketostix test glucose in urine. The comment made was:

          Originally posted by Atkinsgal08
          Originally posted by forbey
          Yesterday was a treat day... I went to a chinese buffet. While I probably over did it on the protein/fat side, the food was cooked in front of me with no sauces (water and hot past) lots of veggies. I did allow myself a treat in the form of 1 crab rangoon (instead of 3 to 6), 2 small rice-rolled sushi and a fortune cookie. It never seemed to effect my state of ketosis.
          There's more to Atkins than having your pee turn a stick a color. That could be your blood sugars doing that ...
          What the comment actually said is that high blood sugar can cause ketone bodies to be present in urine, regardless of whether you follow Atkins correctly or "treat" yourself with Chinese food.

          From the Joslin Diabetes Center webpage:

          "Ketones are produced when the body burns fat for energy or fuel. They are also produced when you lose weight or if there is not enough insulin to help your body use sugar for energy. Without enough insulin, glucose builds up in the blood. Since the body is unable to use glucose for energy, it breaks down fat instead. When this occurs, ketones form in the blood and spill into the urine. These ketones can make you very sick."
          "Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an oyster."

          -- Theodore Roosevelt

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          • #6
            Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

            I certainly appreciate your attempt to smooth out a potential miscommunication. Unfortunately, I am unable to interpret what someone intended to say, I can only read what is posted. That is the purpose of this thread. What we say is important, how we say it is as. or more, important.

            What they wrote was: "There's more to Atkins than having your pee turn a stick a color. That could be your blood sugars doing that ..."

            I'm pretty sure that that doesn't say: "high blood sugar can cause ketone bodies to be present in urine... "

            I do not want to get into a discussion of what someone else meant when they wrote what they wrote. I'm concerned about what is understood when what was wrote is read.

            In addition, I'm concerned about the tone in which they say it and the other comments made, not only with this person, in this thread, but elsewhere in the forum as well.

            Additionally, I have yet to read anything that supports the claim that high blood sugar causes ketones to be spilled into the urine. If this is a fact, please provide some type of reference so I can research it.

            forbey



            Move Yer Bloomin Arse Challenge
            Entering the Nuclear Arms Race,
            One Rep at a Time!


            Max Weight - Feb 2009 - 354
            (Pre-Atkins weight loss 64 lbs, stalled in Dec 2009)
            Re-started Atkins: Feb 2010 * 290 lbs

            Get blood sugars to normal and under control. April 18, 2010 (1st time EVER w/o the help of Insulin!)
            Next Goal: 280!

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            • #7
              Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

              Originally posted by forbey View Post
              Unfortunately, I am unable to interpret what someone intended to say, I can only read what is posted.
              But you didn't really read what was posted. You interpreted what was posted as "Ketostix measure glucose in urine".

              What they wrote was: "There's more to Atkins than having your pee turn a stick a color. That could be your blood sugars doing that ..."

              I'm pretty sure that that doesn't say: "high blood sugar can cause ketone bodies to be present in urine... "
              Does it say that Ketostix measure glucose in urine? It doesn't. That's what you read... MISread, actually... not what was posted.

              Additionally, I have yet to read anything that supports the claim that high blood sugar causes ketones to be spilled into the urine. If this is a fact, please provide some type of reference so I can research it.
              It's in Chapter 6 of your copy of Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution (2002):

              "The latter [ketoacidosis] is the consequence of insulin-deficient subjects having out-of-control blood-sugar levels, a condition that can occur as well in alcoholics and people in a state of extreme starvation. Ketosis and ketoacidosis may sound vaguely alike, but the two conditions are virtually polar opposites. They can always be distinguished by each other by the fact that the diabetic in ketoacidosis has been consuming excessive carbohydrates and has high blood sugar, in shart contrast to the fortunate person doing Atkins."

              I do not want to get into a discussion of what someone else meant when they wrote what they wrote.
              Then you should refrain from starting a discussion about what someone else meant.

              If you think a thread such as this brings anything good... it doesn't. It might make you feel better. But the common fate of such threads is spiraling out of control and transforming into fights between members.

              If you have any concerns, it's better to take them in private... with the moderators and/or the administrators.
              "Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an oyster."

              -- Theodore Roosevelt

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              • #8
                Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

                AMEN IS RIGHT!!! Thank you for posting this!!!

                Being treated like you're a moron or a nuisance doesn't help when starting out something like this.

                If people are annoyed with questions that us newbies ask...well....I'm sorry, but how are we supposed to be educated.

                Yes...some/most of the questions could possibly be answered from the book, but that's what discussion boards are for.

                So, if you're annoyed because you've answered the same question a hundred times, and you just plan on being rude. Then ignore it. Let somebody who wants to be friendly and welcoming answer it.

                People are having a hard enough time in their own lives being overweight, unhealthy, and unhappy. This is supposed to be a positive change.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

                  Amen x 1000
                  I pray everyone here has an awesome and blessed positive LC Day!

                  I feel bad for all the people who have been let down. I have not asked questions many times because of this same thing.
                  ~Nichole~





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                  Zach 8
                  Ethan 4
                  2004 pre-pregnancy 60 lb loss with Atkins
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                  MINI GOAL 177 (MET 4/10/10)
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                  • #10
                    Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

                    It is almost impossible to respond to all that by inserting quotes. First, in general, it is off topic. Since you are a moderator, if you would like to split the discussion into two threads I would be happy to continue the discussion. But to try, one more time, to present my case. The original post, by this member was:

                    Originally posted by atkinsgal08 View Post
                    >> I'm eating almost no carbs,>>

                    Atkins isn't "almost no carbs".

                    >> Yesterday was a treat day... I>>

                    There's no "treat" days on Atkins, either.

                    >>It never seemed to effect my state of ketosis.>>

                    There's more to Atkins than having your pee turn a stick a color. That could be your blood sugars doing that ...

                    Every "treat day" has it's consequences ... even if your pee doesn't show it.
                    The fact that the two statements were in direct response to my statement

                    "It never seemed to effect my state of ketosis."

                    That would leave the reader no other choice but to reach the understanding that the two statements were connected.

                    She stated "There's more to Atkins than having your pee turn a stick a color."

                    Which is a clear statement about the significance of Atkins in relation to turning the stick a color.

                    Then she immediately continued with a second statement regarding my state of ketosis in which she said "That could be your blood sugars doing that ..." Use of "..." does not help in providing anything to support her statement. What does she "mean" by using the word "that"? That would reference you back to the action of the first sentence which was "turning the stick color."

                    I followed her statement with a following response:

                    "First you tell me that it might be the sugar in my urine that is changing what I'm seeing on the stick, then when I say the sticks test for ketones not sugar you say "true". Which one is it?

                    She never chose to clarify her statement, leaving me unable to determine what she said, verses what she meant.

                    In addition, the link she provided, in simple terms, says that there are several reasons for the color change and its severity of change, but never once says it has anything to do with the blood glucose levels as compared to her response to my ketosis question.

                    In response to your comment, It's in Chapter 6 of your copy of Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution (2002):

                    "The latter [ketoacidosis] is the consequence of insulin-deficient subjects having out-of-control blood-sugar levels, a condition that can occur as well in alcoholics and people in a state of extreme starvation. Ketosis and ketoacidosis may sound vaguely alike, but the two conditions are virtually polar opposites. They can always be distinguished by each other by the fact that the diabetic in ketoacidosis has been consuming excessive carbohydrates and has high blood sugar, in shart contrast to the fortunate person doing Atkins."

                    I am not insulin -deficient, I'm insulin-resistant.

                    Finally, you quoted me as saying"I do not want to get into a discussion of what someone else meant when they wrote what they wrote."

                    You then stated: "Then you should refrain from starting a discussion about what someone else meant."

                    Actually, this thread is about treating EVERYONE with dignity as we help each other. You were the one that responded with a statement about what she meant.

                    Again, if you would prefer moving this portion of the discussion to a separate thread or to PMs, that is fine, because it is clouding the actual subject of how post in order to be helpful instead of hurtful.

                    forbey



                    Move Yer Bloomin Arse Challenge
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                    Max Weight - Feb 2009 - 354
                    (Pre-Atkins weight loss 64 lbs, stalled in Dec 2009)
                    Re-started Atkins: Feb 2010 * 290 lbs

                    Get blood sugars to normal and under control. April 18, 2010 (1st time EVER w/o the help of Insulin!)
                    Next Goal: 280!

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

                      OzLOver, Fisch Foods and SouLThinKing:

                      Thank you for your response, This confirms that, as a newbie, my impressions about some of the responses by more experienced members is being taken, shall we say "unnecessarily harshly."

                      BTW: I'm a 53 year old Marine Corps Veteran, biker, with more than a BS degree in the biological sciences and 17 years reviewing and "interpreting" what others write. Needless to say, I'm not prone to weeping over having my feelings hurt, I just don't believe it is necessary in this format! Those who believe we shouldn't misinterpret what others write apparently don't understand the purpose of writing. Reading is nothing more than interpreting what others write. Misunderstandings arise from the author failing to properly present their case in the written word.

                      forbey



                      Move Yer Bloomin Arse Challenge
                      Entering the Nuclear Arms Race,
                      One Rep at a Time!


                      Max Weight - Feb 2009 - 354
                      (Pre-Atkins weight loss 64 lbs, stalled in Dec 2009)
                      Re-started Atkins: Feb 2010 * 290 lbs

                      Get blood sugars to normal and under control. April 18, 2010 (1st time EVER w/o the help of Insulin!)
                      Next Goal: 280!

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

                        Oorah! from a Marine MOM!!

                        Semper FI

                        God Bless
                        ~Nichole~





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                        SouLThinking
                        Married to Jeff
                        Mom to 3 wonderful Boys
                        Brett 20(US MARINE)
                        Zach 8
                        Ethan 4
                        2004 pre-pregnancy 60 lb loss with Atkins
                        (SW 240/177 LW)
                        MINI GOAL 177 (MET 4/10/10)
                        NOW ON TO LOSING NEW WEIGHT

                        RE-Start
                        01/01/2010 SW 195.0
                        SW240/RSW195/CW177/GW145(?)



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                        • #13
                          Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

                          Nicole:

                          I didn't pick up on your signature until after reposting.

                          Your son Brett is a 20 year old Marine. That makes him my brother.

                          Semper Fi, Mom! and thanks for loaning us you son.

                          forbey



                          Move Yer Bloomin Arse Challenge
                          Entering the Nuclear Arms Race,
                          One Rep at a Time!


                          Max Weight - Feb 2009 - 354
                          (Pre-Atkins weight loss 64 lbs, stalled in Dec 2009)
                          Re-started Atkins: Feb 2010 * 290 lbs

                          Get blood sugars to normal and under control. April 18, 2010 (1st time EVER w/o the help of Insulin!)
                          Next Goal: 280!

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

                            Thanks I am very proud of him.

                            Thank you for your service also.
                            God Bless
                            ~Nichole~





                            sigpic
                            SouLThinking
                            Married to Jeff
                            Mom to 3 wonderful Boys
                            Brett 20(US MARINE)
                            Zach 8
                            Ethan 4
                            2004 pre-pregnancy 60 lb loss with Atkins
                            (SW 240/177 LW)
                            MINI GOAL 177 (MET 4/10/10)
                            NOW ON TO LOSING NEW WEIGHT

                            RE-Start
                            01/01/2010 SW 195.0
                            SW240/RSW195/CW177/GW145(?)



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                            • #15
                              Re: The Purpose of Bulletin Boards

                              Originally posted by SouLThinKing View Post
                              Thanks I am very proud of him.

                              Thank you for your service also.
                              God Bless
                              We are all proud of him and keep them all in our prayers.

                              As for my service... thank you. It was my honor and privilege to serve.

                              forbey



                              Move Yer Bloomin Arse Challenge
                              Entering the Nuclear Arms Race,
                              One Rep at a Time!


                              Max Weight - Feb 2009 - 354
                              (Pre-Atkins weight loss 64 lbs, stalled in Dec 2009)
                              Re-started Atkins: Feb 2010 * 290 lbs

                              Get blood sugars to normal and under control. April 18, 2010 (1st time EVER w/o the help of Insulin!)
                              Next Goal: 280!

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