How late should I eat?

[not2late]

Re: How late should I eat?

If you follow DANDR I don't think you can severely eat to much or to little. I personally don't count calories because I believe in the KISS principle, and counting calories just is to much of a hassle so what's the point.

I agree with Desert. There are some days when 1 boiled egg and 2 chicken thighs with a couple cups of veg are all I can eat because I just don't feel hungry. Then there are days when I can't seem to satisfy my hunger. I just surrender and let my body tell me how much it food it needs----not some number calculated from a formula. It works for me. PLUS, I already think it's a hassle to count carbs....but to count carbs AND count calories

I do think if your in a stall for over 4 weeks or if you find yourself wanting to lick the glue off your latest Stephanie Plum novel, then maybe checking on calories might help.

Or check to see if you have added a food that is causing the blood sugar instability.

[WWJD]

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So how do I put a person on ignore?

Anyway....

If you are unable to sleep because you are hungry... EAT. If you can sleep fine after not having eaten for 2-4 hours... don't eat... The time of day doesn't matter, it's whatever cycle your body is on and what it is used to doing...

If you don't eat before bed, and you wake up 4 hours after going to bed because you are hungry then eat something closer to bedtime so you can get a full night sleep.

Wow, such negativity! And out of nowhere, LOL, where did you come from with all of this??? OMG. If you don't like me QUOTING DANDR, then find another forum like a low-carb forum to push an ignore button on those who worship DANDR. The nerve of you!!!

[WWJD]

Re: How late should I eat?

I agree with Desert. There are some days when 1 boiled egg and 2 chicken thighs with a couple cups of veg are all I can eat because I just don't feel hungry. Then there are days when I can't seem to satisfy my hunger. I just surrender and let my body tell me how much it food it needs----not some number calculated from a formula. It works for me. PLUS, I already think it's a hassle to count carbs....but to count carbs AND count calories



Or check to see if you have added a food that is causing the blood sugar instability.

Thanks not2late and DT so much!!! I knew some old timers would set things straight!!

[2big4mysize]

Re: How late should I eat?

we can find opinions on time of day eating and just about anything else dealing with eating and weight loss but again thouse are opinions. If you can find a fact based study done on a large sample size with peer review it woyuld give more weight ( no pun intended) to the opinion being true.

the human body does not shutdown when it sleeps. much of the body growth and repair occurs during that time span so energy and food provided raw materials for making those repairs and growth tissues are needed then too.

There are many studies about distracted eating that do show folk eat more when watching TV because they do not recieve the feed back cut off from the brain that they have even eatting. That was why folk like latenitediner could eat whole bags of food that they would not normally eat if done at a meal or when they were concentrating on the actual eating.

TV watching can trigger eatting just from the food based commercials because normal human brains are programmed to see food and begin stimulating the production of the chemicals needed to digest that food which when food doesn't attive will trigger hunger signals because blood sugar dropped frrom those chemicals.

SO if one has an artifical stopping mechanism like no eatting after ___ o'clock then they can hopefully control their reactions to that issue.

Those who take Dr Atkins at his word will eat becasue they feel hungry but they will stop when hunger issatisfied so whole containers of food will not be consumed. And that eating should effect their next meal hunger so they will under eat what is a normal for them next meal becasue they will not be as hungry.

Food triggers like normally eating with another person and now one isn't hungry when that other person is eating need to be addressed by what ever plan of action the not eater has created.

it could be telling the eater that sitting with them while they eat is causing weight loss isue for the person right now so even though they love them and enjoy being with them right now the dieter needs to avoid being there until such time as a dieter is stronger.

it could be asking the eater to eat else where

it could be on scheduling the dieters eating to allow for a late night snack or meal by eating smaller meals during the day.

use whatever tools and means you need to become the smaller healtheir you.

[LateNiteDiner]

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Please explain the difference between these two quotes (aside from the fact that WWJD agrees with one and disagrees with the other):

The reason Dr Atkin's claims counting calories is not necessary is because if you follow the plan's eating requirements correctly and only eat when you are hungry (or every 6 hours), odds are your calorie intake won't be an issue.

If you follow DANDR I don't think you can severely eat to much or to little.

(Content removed to be a nice guy...)

[nat11]

Re: How late should I eat?

WWJD, You seem to know DANDR very good and go by it precisely, so I would truly appreciate if you could help me understand something.

Eric wrote that simply keeping your percentages at 65/5/30 is not enough to achieve steady weight loss if one is severely undereating or overeating. You responded to him saying that what he wrote is not true. Could you please tell me where in DANDR are these percentages mentioned? I don't remember reading about them, but I might have overlooked them. I have read the book quite some time ago.

[not2late]

Re: How late should I eat?

Please explain the difference between these two quotes (aside from the fact that WWJD agrees with one and disagrees with the other):


The problem with "sola scriptura" types like yourself, is that you miss the meaning of the words due to being so wrapped up in words themselves. I'm sure if you were to review your fitday entries over the past week or so, you'd see that your calories didn't stray more than 300 above or below your BMR (assuming you know what that is -- I don't have my Atkins Bible in front of me to see if the low carb god quotes that term in his scriptures). The reason is that you follow the diet to a T (just like I am trying to do). Take a chill pill and use that noggin of yours to think. If on the other hand, you are of the DANDR-alone variety, I really see no point in your need to hang out in a forum like this where intelligence shares the same floor as faith. Freaking amazing...

Be nice. Ad hominem attacks violate the ADBB TOS.

BMRs, AMRs, TERs are rather moot on Atkins have the "metabolic advantage" which allows us to eat about 300 or so cals ABOVE the total energy requirement and lose weight.

[WWJD]

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Thank you so much 2bigformysize, that was very informative.

[ziggy]

Re: How late should I eat?

my point is to read DANDR like a Bible and adhere to it as such, if not you will fall short. This is a program not to be mixed with outsiders opinions, that is why so many fail Atkins. If you want to adhere to what you believe in, fine, but do not say things on this board that isn't in DANDR.

DR. Atkins is human hes not perfect so you should not follow DANDR like a King james Holy Bible

but his diet advice is great and it works and its good to follow very closely for it to work better

but because DR. Atkins is human and thus makes him not perfect we should be allowed to talk about other things that can help us

for one example i don't know of DR. Atkins warning us about soy that was not properly fermented? what would happen to someone who reached rung 6 and ate the average soy made in western culture?

or where it says a pregnant mother should not follow weight loss phases what would happen if she ate from rung 6 and ate lots of unfermented toxic soy thus causeing a birth defect in her baby?

japan makes soy safe to eat they 100% properly ferment it but thats the only place i know that does that

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anyways its good to follow the atkins diet extremely close too the T but just know that DR. Atkins is human and it is possible for him to have missed things but im sure if he was still alive he would have figured out the horrors of soy by now and put warnings of it into his new book

[WWJD]

Re: How late should I eat?

DR. Atkins is human hes not perfect so you should not follow DANDR like a King james Holy Bible

anyways its good to follow the atkins diet extremely close too the T but just know that DR. Atkins is human and it is possible for him to have missed things but im sure if he was still alive he would have figured out the horrors of soy by now and put warnings of it into his new book

Here you go. It was not meant in a literal context, it was a figure of speech, as I see you couldn't differentiate. Honey nothing is greater than my Holy Bible in King James version, which btw I take literally.

[ziggy]

Re: How late should I eat?

oh ok sorry for the misunderstanding xD

[WWJD]

Re: How late should I eat?

oh ok sorry for the misunderstanding xD

No problem.

[WWJD]

Re: How late should I eat?

WWJD, You seem to know DANDR very good and go by it precisely, so I would truly appreciate if you could help me understand something.

Eric wrote that simply keeping your percentages at 65/5/30 is not enough to achieve steady weight loss if one is severely undereating or overeating. You responded to him saying that what he wrote is not true. Could you please tell me where in DANDR are these percentages mentioned? I don't remember reading about them, but I might have overlooked them. I have read the book quite some time ago.

I looked in DANDR and I could only find page 123 in DANDR 2002, Rules of Induction #3. When you calculate that it comes to 5%. I asked 2bigformysize in a PM where it was @ in the book because I knew I read it but was stumped. Here is 2big's reply:

you have to calculate the % for the sample menus to get it from DANDR. Most of us who were doing Atkins in 2002 called Dr Atkins medical center and ask how much is too much protein and how low is too low fat. the answer was 65% fats 30% protein and 5% carbs for induction.

Thanks 2big!! Now I can take a

[nat11]

Re: How late should I eat?

"I looked in DANDR and I could only find page 123 in DANDR 2002, Rules of Induction #3. When you calculate that it comes to 5%."

Would you mind showing me your calculation? I am not too good at math.

[Aways2Go]

Re: How late should I eat?

How can you agree with someone "wholeheartedly" when they are not quoting from DANDR?
I can agree wholeheartedly with someone about any number of things whether it is printed in
a book or not. But in fact, this topic is addressed in DANDR (please see quoted passage below), though apparently not directly enough to suit you so that you cannot seem to tolerate discussion about it or anyone's thoughts on it.


This is ridiculous! That's why people come on this board and get discouraged listening to people like yourselves who take what someone says out of context, and throw your 2 cents in going on what you think.PLEASE QUOTE FROM THE BOOK!!!
I don't believe I took anything out of context, though I feel both latenitediner and I had comments taken out of context. And my personal opinion would be that it would be more likely someone would get discouraged from the instant beat-down they might recieve for merely suggesting a thought, idea, or opinion instead of a thoughtful discussion about same.


PLEASE QUOTE FROM THE BOOK!!!
Okay, I'd be happy to - page 143
"Although there is no need to count calories, they do matter. Gaining weight results from taking in more calories than you expend through exercise, thermogenesis (the body's own heat production) and other metabolic functions. Research has shown that on a controlled carbohydrate program, more calories are burned than in a low-fat/high carb diet, so there is a certain metabolic advantage to the controlled carb approach. But understand that this does not give you a license to gorge."


If anyone wants to argue that consistently overeating beyond your BMR by 1000 or more calories per day (as I believe I gave as an example) is not gorging, then have at it. In fact, I think someone just said on here that the metabolic gain was maybe 300 calories. If so, then 700 cals a day beyond that on a consistent, ongoing basis MIGHT be considered gorging, would it not? You would be taking in 700 calories on a consistent basis beyond what you would expend through (see above quote from page 143). Of course, that "300 calorie gain" figure might not be in DANDR, so who knows...



Nobody ever said undereat or overeat, the both of you are going by equating late night eating with overeating, and if you're not hungry as undereating. WOW, I'm glad I never listened to either of your "weight loss advice", I lost 100+ lbs. on Atkins in 8 months following it to the exact letter!

I said nothing at all in reference to late night eating whatsoever. I made no comment as to time of day. I was merely responding to the posts regarding serious, ongoing under or overeating, not related to time of day at all. And I also said nothing whatsoever about anyone 'not being hungry equalling undereating'. I was referring to consistent, day after day, serious under or overeating of calories in relation to your BMR. I said IF your weight/fat loss stalls, ONE MIGHT CONSIDER LOOKING AT their caloric intake if it is seriously out of line with their BMR. CONSIDER LOOKING AT - you know, like maybe check to see if you are "GORGING" for example... As such, I never even suggested counting calories as being important because for most, I don't think it is - only something to consider for those who are stalled and searching for possible solutions. Especially since DANDR states that they do matter on page 143.


I wish you the best of luck in following DANDR to the T. I have never discouraged that tactic for anyone, despite your misreading of my statements. I don't find beating anyone over the head with the book as helpful as a thoughtful discussion where one could quote the book and state their thoughts on what is written, as there are a number of things in the book that are open to slight differences in interpretation/implementation. For example, what qualifies as 'gorging'?


I am thoroughly done with this topic.