What's Diff Between Atkins Book?

[mitzimarie]

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A question on another BB reminded me of the excellent information on supplements in DANDR 2002. The chapter on nutritional supplements (Chapter 23) is incredibly informative and guides people in customizing supplements based upon their needs. The new Atkins 2010 book only has one paragraph (p. 68 ) suggesting the bare minimum of a non-iron multi, EFA and possibly Vitamin D. Better than nothing but for those who have read the supplement chapter in DANDR, there is so much more one can do to help their health and weight loss.

Excellent point, Miz!

[Reborn Spirit]

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I am following the 2010 version. I am not eating bar or drinking shakes though. The only real difference is that I am eating 12-15 net carbs of veggies/salad veggies without using cups. I don't see why it matters how many cups you are getting if in the end the same amounts of carbs are being eaten.

I was disappointed that there was no chapter on vitamins, or Candida. I also wish they put more success stories of people who have lost larger amounts of weight. I know that someone’s 40lbs might be the same to them as my 100lbs+ I need to lose. However, I think having more success stories of 100lbs+ weight losses instead of people who lost 20-30lbns to achieve their goal would be better. Someone trying out Atkins for the first time I imagine would be more inspired from the 50-year old that lost 200lbs and cured his hypertension and diabetes vs. the 42-year old mother who lost her baby weight.

Overall I think it is a good book. It is good to see a new Atkins book, and one that doesn't push all the frankenfood. I like the way they layout what you can eat and I like the sample menus. I don't think it varies too greatly from 2002 DANR. If eating nuts in the first rung of OWL causes you to continue weight loss and stay on this WOE, why is that wrong? I am sure if Dr. Atkins were alive, he would have made some changes to the plan. The authors of this new book aren't hacks. The have great CVs and have years of experience in low-carb lifestyles.

[2big4mysize]

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wow reading the new book maintnenace parts about not living at your CCLM because it could cause cravings and hunger issues is so opposit of Dr Atkins in DANDR cause he tells us in premaintnenace that our appetite and hunger will return in pre. that is one reason many folk never did find their CCLL and just went to goal weight in OWL eating the higher fats moderate proteins and less then CCLL carbs.

and increasing fats at maintneacen almost makes it seem like Atkins induction and OWL went the way of Protein power and is now high protein, moderate fats, and low carb.

I like that they moved the nut/seed rung lower cause if one reads DANDR 2002 section on nuts in the carb chapter Dr Atkins recommends adding them after the 14 days of induction based on their vits minerals and antioxident levels.

one reason they don't need all the chapters on supplements is with the much higher intake of the induction veggies Atkinseers can now get all the vits and minerals they need from their foods. Itr also may blow up in their faces since with all the vegies availible in induction there is no compelling reason to move to OWL now until a person wants an OWL food cause they can get all macro and micro nutriants from induction eating.

[LageNomAi]

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See I need reasons. I don't want to follow a novel written about an eating programme. Everytime time they make a change I want to know why. Is there a good scientific reason for this change. Did they test it out? If there was I may consider it. I really don't think the reader should have to guess. I think they should have told us why.

LOL, this is me to a T.

Love this thread. I'm reading the new book now and reading all of these thoughts from others who are well-informed is quite enjoyable. Thank you for discussing this all openly!

[mizski]

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one reason they don't need all the chapters on supplements is with the much higher intake of the induction veggies Atkinseers can now get all the vits and minerals they need from their foods.

I had to think about this for a while. See, I got so much more out of the DANDR supplement chapter than the vitamins/minerals found in your basic multi. I never would have started using L-Carnitine and CoQ10 and some of the others listed in the Atkins Basic 3 if I hadn't read that chapter. I don't think more veggies give me those...at least that was the impression I got from DANDR and the Vita Nutrient Solution.

The added supplements made a HUGE difference in how I felt. The L-Carnitine and CoQ10 have made huge difference in Mr. Ski's lab results. He is no longer Type II. I'm sure eating Atkins style with me helped a lot but his numbers made a marked change for the better a month after taking the supplements.

[2big4mysize]

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I had to think about this for a while. See, I got so much more out of the DANDR supplement chapter than the vitamins/minerals found in your basic multi. I never would have started using L-Carnitine and CoQ10 and some of the others listed in the Atkins Basic 3 if I hadn't read that chapter. I don't think more veggies give me those...at least that was the impression I got from DANDR and the Vita Nutrient Solution.

The added supplements made a HUGE difference in how I felt. The L-Carnitine and CoQ10 have made huge difference in Mr. Ski's lab results. He is no longer Type II. I'm sure eating Atkins style with me helped a lot but his numbers made a marked change for the better a month after taking the supplements.

that is interesting. did you take the L-Carnitine and CoQ10 before or after you were finished with 14 day induction? foods rich in L-Carnitine are part of 14 day induction foods and the rest of the atkins phases things like beef pork, bacon, chicken, cod, cheese, and even some of the veggies like asperagus and avocados. adding fresh dairy in OWL rung 2 gives us even more of it.

CoQ10 is also found in many induction legal foods like fish, eggs, beef lamb, pork, and green veggies, peppers eggplant. It can also be gotten from beef liver and canola and soybean oils and even butter. When we get to OWl and add nuts we get even more. And if one eats game as part of their protein sources even more CoQ10 is gotten.

The more veggies will give us more potassium, calcium, magnesium, vit B2 C, A K D and E and folate too.

some of the needed supplements like chromium are now standard in OTC VPs too.

[mizski]

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I started taking those supplements around the end of Induction week 1. When I had surgery 1 early November I stopped taking everything for a little over 2 weeks before and 2 weeks after. I started feeling draggy again. When I resumed my supplements I started to feel better.

Maybe I just need more of these? Don't know. My diet is quite varied with all kinds of proteins/veg because I do really believe that it's important to get all different kinds of nutrients.

Anyways, thank you very much for this info and explanation. I am going to continue to look into this.

[2big4mysize]

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that variety is one of the things I love about OWl and why I educate folk who make comments like atkins is all meat and fat...

Did you know as you get smaller you also need smaller amounts of the supplements cause you have less total body cells to need those supplements?

[brandywine1241]

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In The Age Defying Diet Dr. Atkins asserts that the RDA is simply the amount of vitamins and minerals that will keep us from being deficient, not necessarily the amount to make us healthy or reverse illness. He also says the amounts we need of some of these change as we age. He also emphasizes getting as much nutrition as possible from food because there are also probably necessary trace elements we haven't discovered yet.

This book is quite "sciency" but fascinating reading for anyone interested in modifying the effects of aging.

[mizski]

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Did you know as you get smaller you also need smaller amounts of the supplements cause you have less total body cells to need those supplements?

This absolutely makes sense. When I started out at 304#s I probably needed a lot of nutrients and/or quite possibly my body was deficient from previous dieting. That might be why they made such a noticeable difference in how I felt. The trouble will be to adjust the amounts as my weight goes down. And some that I was taking for high cholesterol, etc. may not be needed when I am finally half my starting weight (or less).

Correct supplements and amounts is one of my many "remaking me" projects.

[2big4mysize]

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I love reading his books and how yrs later many of the things he was an early pioneer in recommending are now being shown to be true.

Dr Atkins in DANDR said he recommended supplements for all because he assumed all were deficient from our poor diets before we started his plan.