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[not2late]

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Hey don't bash veggie haters I'm one of them LOL Ok I don't hate them all just the majority of them. I can handle a few basic ones.

I'm not the one bashing anyone here. I don't like vegetables. Period. Goodie for you that you like some of them: you deserve a medal.

But like I said, my friend lost weight without having to eat any vegetables on Atkins. So I'm not eating them either because I can't stand them.

And since I'm not eating any carbs, I don't have to eat vegetables.

[poobears1972]

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Love the responses but instead of telling them to wait until you get home and you'll look it up. Why not give them the link to the USDA and explain how they can look it up themselves. Then they'll know how to do it for the next food.

Ok carry on

[mitzimarie]

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And often when a person understands the reasoning behind something, they'll be more likely to accept it. ( This method works great for getting my kid to do or not do things, BTW.)

BTW - if I use too many words, my kid zones out and hears NOTHING. So the fewer words I use, the better chance I have of getting my point across.

Again (for about the hundredth time) - everyone resonates with different methods!!! One man's junk, is another man's treasure...

How about a little discretion and tolerance?

[forbey]

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The variables are exactly why I think the veterans begin to respond with "short" answers. It can be annoying to constantly regurgitate the same information repeatedly but with tweaks. However, out of patience, they respond in some way rather than completely ignore the question. There are some posts by newbies that would have no response if not for the tough love. Where are the "I love you, you love me" responses for those (repetitive) threads?


My first post on this thread specifically touched on the need for forum members to have response from both the good cop and the bad cop:



I am not in total disagreement with this advice, although I think some posts would never get a response as previously discussed. Perhaps the answer is to have others like yourself step up and commit to answer all newcomers questions for a given day to give the Atkins alumni time to retreat. Are you willing to walk a mile in their shoes?

This is supposed to be a support forum, there should be no use for "cops" here at all, never mind good or bad ones.

I partially agree, with some of the response I have read getting no response would have been an improvement over the respone give. As for committing to responding to newcomers, the joy of having a forum is that at almost any time of the day someone is on, or will be on soon, to address questions. As you should be able to tell by my profile, I'm not one to just read the forum. And with the exception of two threads, this one and the one I started (where the topic was the same), my responses have always been cordial.

As for shoes, with my knees and ankles, I have enough problems walking in my own shoes and my feet are too big for most everyone else's shoes.

However, sometimes, it appears that those who had previously walked in the same shoes that the newbie walks in today, have forgotten what it felt like to have walked in those shoes.

[nat11]

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"there should be no use for "cops" here"

I presume you're not playing the "cop" in this thread, are you?

[poobears1972]

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not2late do you honestly believe that how most people that are treated rudely here respond. I dont' think you do, I do think you are trying to keep the drama going. Are there some that come in and act similar to that. Yep I've seen them and those are the ones where you have to say your peace and walk away from the thread. No point in sticking around and getting rude, they don't get it, they don't want to get it and they will never get it. Wish them the best on their journey and off you go.

That being said the majority are people that if given the right direction without running them off or making them instantly get defensive will correct their mistakes and thank you for it. If you really think that is how newbies are maybe a board break would be a good idea.

[forbey]

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Love the responses but instead of telling them to wait until you get home and you'll look it up. Why not give them the link to the USDA and explain how they can look it up themselves. Then they'll know how to do it for the next food.

Ok carry on

That is what follow up responses by others in the forum (like yourself) who know of that link would (and frequently do) provide. It would have been a great response. Kind of like:

"Hi newbie 101, good luck on induction. It did wondes for me. BTW there is no need for forbey to look that information on asparagus, they can find all of that information at ...[link]."

[nat11]

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"with some of the response I have read getting no response would have been an improvement"

Because forbey says so, right?

Do you have the impression that EVERYBODY should share your opinion? Why aren't you using that ignore list?

[forbey]

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BTW - if I use too many words, my kid zones out and hears NOTHING. So the fewer words I use, the better chance I have of getting my point across.

Again (for about the hundredth time) - everyone resonates with different methods!!! One man's junk, is another man's treasure...

How about a little discretion and tolerance?

That's fine, but the greatest expectation, or better demonstration, of discretion and tolerance should not be from the newbies, but from those with the greatest experience. We should all be striving to be the Yodas of the world, not the Darth Vaders

[not2late]

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Originally Posted by not2late
My bacon says BACON and I thought you could eat BACON on Atkins.

I read on another site that caffeine only causes cravings and if you don't have cravings, you can drink caffeine. I don't have cravings. So I'm not worried about caffeine. Besides, if I do get cravings, I'll just eat an Atkins bar.

Splenda has zero carbs. So I don't see why I have to limit it.

It was a Coke Zero. So it didn't have caffeine. Besides, caffeine doesn't give me any cravings so I don't see why I have to avoid it.

And how high is the likelihood of reducing the effectiveness? What studies do you have to back it up? Tell me what they because I work as a research coordinator at a major university and I can look up these studies.

[COLOR=#0000ff]Cheese has 0 carbs. So why do I have to limit it? Also, I'm having no problems going to the bathroom! So cheese isn't clogging any of my pipes!
Besides, if I don't eat my cheese snack, I get really hungry and there isn't anything here for me to eat except the candy bars in the machines. So isn't it better for me to eat the cheese than to eat the candy bars?


[COLOR=#0000ff]Stop putting words into my mouth! I never said I stuff myself! I eat those burgers because that's what fills me up.



[COLOR=#0000ff]I hate water. It makes me sick everytime I get any in my mouth. I mean, I want to vomit whenever I have to drink water. If I can't drink soda or coffee, can I drink Crystal Light instead? I mean, it's made from water so it should be as good as water.



[COLOR=#0000ff]I'm a very busy person. I don't have time to read a big book. Just tell me what I need to do to lose these 100 pounds by October 1. And I definitely can't go around carrry a big book with me!


Thanks for your "help".
also how many carbs does asparagus have?


I certainly do appreciate you concerns and your questions. Lt me begin with the last question first. First, I love asparagus; however, I do not have a carb counter with me so I cannot look it up. When I get home, I will be sure to find the answer and get back with you.

As for the other questions, your original post informed the forum that you had chosen to start the Atkins program and that you were on day 3 of Induction. The responses I gave you were from within the guidelines found in the Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, 2002. In order for you to be as succesful as possible with Atkins, you not only need to follow the rules, but you need to understand those rule in order to follow them.

I am following the Rules. I'm just not eating vegetables because I don't like them and I don't see why I need them. I take Metamucil and a multivitamin.

As Dr. Atkins states in his book, some bacon contains sugar, and you need to avoid those extra carbs.

I'm eating no more than 10 carbs a day? What difference would a a few more carbs make?

Caffeine as part of the Atkins plan is a "no no". You are most certainly welcome to include it in your menu if you choose, but choices often result in consequences, and one of the consequences of including caffeine in your diet is a decrease success rate of experiencing a successful Atkins program.

For someone who's telling me to read the Bible...oh sorry the "book", you haven't read it either. I just got through telling someone else that the book says people who are caffeine dependent should avoid it. I'm not caffeine dependent.

The studies included in Dr. Atkins book are lised in the book. Being involved in the field of scientific research, I would expect you are used to doing follow up reading on research and would mostl likely understand the complexities of the studies and their associated papers than I would.

I asked you which studies. I didn't ask you where I could find them.

However, the rather expansive list of members in this forum who are living examples of how Atkins works every day would be worth reviewing and reading their histories, blogs and advice.

Oh sure, like they follow all the "rules" all the time. I'm sure there are people who drink caffeine, don't eat vegetables and don't drink water who lose weight just fine. And I know there are because I personally know these people.

Unfortunately, being a big fan of cheese, I have found that not all cheeses are created equal. Some,like bacn, do in fact contain carbs. The only way for me to do that is to read the label, and I believe it would be quicker for me to recommend reading the labels as you choose which cheeses to include in your shopping.

My labels say 0 carbs for my cheese and 0 carbs for my bacon.

Again, you are free to drink water, Crystal Lite, tea, coffe or whatever you choose. However, nothing beats to hydrating and flushing effects of pure water. If you choose to drink other things, it may have a negative effect on your success using the Atkins plan.

What percentage of people who don't drink water on Atkins have "negative effects"?

As for the Atkins snack bars, you can choose to eat as many of them as you like. Howeverm the Atkins plan does not include them as part of the acceptible food list. I would assume this is for a reason, so I would recommend holding off on the snack bars until you transition to the Ongoing Weight Loss phase (OWL).

They are included. Dr. Atkins says it right at the end of the Induction list that you can use his bars. It looks like I'm not the one who has to "read the book!"

Based on my understanding of the Atkins plan, the likihood of your loosing 100 pounds by October 1st is slim, however, your best chance of closing in on your goal is to follow the rules of the program as closely as possible.

What brand crystal ball do you use to predict my future? I'd like to know. First you make this assumption that I'm "stuffing" myself with hamburgers, then you tell me that I have to avoid caffeine because I get cravings, now you're telling me that I won't lose my weight?

I'm sure many of the members of the forum will be willing to help you along the way.

I hope they assume less about people you don't know than you!

Life ia all about choices. The first big step was to choose the Atkins program, your next choice will be how closely you choose to follow it.

That's right it is MY choice. MY CHOICE. I don't need someone who obviously never read the book himself telling me what to do. Thanks but no thanks.

By the way, I'd appreciate it if you don't reply to any of my posts here again. You've made far too many assumptions about me and I don't like it.

[forbey]

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"there should be no use for "cops" here"

I presume you're not playing the "cop" in this thread, are you?

Not at all, I'm playing my part in a debate in which I have an active interest in the subject.

[not2late]

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not2late do you honestly believe that how most people that are treated rudely here respond. I dont' think you do, I do think you are trying to keep the drama going. Are there some that come in and act similar to that. Yep I've seen them and those are the ones where you have to say your peace and walk away from the thread. No point in sticking around and getting rude, they don't get it, they don't want to get it and they will never get it. Wish them the best on their journey and off you go.

That being said the majority are people that if given the right direction without running them off or making them instantly get defensive will correct their mistakes and thank you for it. If you really think that is how newbies are maybe a board break would be a good idea.

With all due respect, poohbear, I was a newbie to this board too at one time and I remember how it was to be a newbie just starting a diet to lose weight. But I also remember seeing responses exactly like or very similar to the ones Newbie101 has given. I have not written anything as Newbie101 that has not been written here on ADBB since I joined the Board. The purpose of the role play is to give the folks who think the moderators and others are being too negative and rude a chance to put into practice what they suggest/recommend.

[forbey]

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"with some of the response I have read getting no response would have been an improvement"

Because forbey says so, right?

Do you have the impression that EVERYBODY should share your opinion? Why aren't you using that ignore list?

Opinions are like..... we won't go there.

So let me see if I get your point correctly. You want to know if I believe that someone responding to a newbies question with "statement" that neither provides an answer to the question, advice on where to get the answer sought, adds nothing constructive to the conversation and is presented with ATTITUDE...

is less desireable than no answer at all.

I guess I agree with you.

I think it is, like, something I learned in kindergarten!

As far as the ignore list, I couldn't locate the button until last week. Thankfully, I found it. Only used it once and my life has been much more pleasant since. Haven't found a need to use it again, but if need arises, I'm capable of doing so.

Do I believe everyone should agree with my opinions...

Absolutely, that is why they are called opinions. I wouldn't make much sense to have opinions I didn't think were worth sharing.

[LateNiteDiner]

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I look forward to the mix of responses on the other threads. I'll let this one continue on without me, by taking the advice from the 2nd or 3rd post that mentioned how this would become the bipolar dispute it has become. Peace out homies!

[forbey]

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It's lunch time!

I'll be back!