Not following Atkins?

[nat11]

Re: Not following Atkins?

"First, I've been "doing Atkins" of an on since 1982. Where does that fit into the "experience" equation"

For me it doesn't make any difference. I would rather follow the advice of those people who have been successful on Atkins than that of someone who has yet to make Atkins a lifestyle.

"I also have a Bachaelor of Science in Agriculture, specializing in nutrition. Where does that fit into the "experience" equation."

This doesn't matter to me either, because I don't see what it has to do with being "experienced" about Atkins.

[sandislim]

Re: Not following Atkins?

I'm sure it says in DANDR somewhere that some peoples CCLL can be as low as 15g carbs per day. I take that as meaning you have to find your own CCLL even if that falls below 20g carbs.

I don't have a doctor like Atkins to turn to when I haven't lost weight, or am in any way struggling - I expect he had much advice and suggestions to tweak things. Without advice, we have to decide for ourselves what to do, what to tweak. Which is what this forum is so great for, we can see what has worked for others and decide if it might work for us or if there is nothing we need to change at all.

Atkins was able to give his patients further medications or supplements to help them - he believe in working with the patient and their diet and lifestyle. Many of us don't have a doctor to help us like this in this way - so we have to make our own judgements and see what works for us as individuals, Atkins has a LOT of guidance in his books and he does say that the diet should work for a majority of people, but many people may have problems - hence all of his fantastic suggestions to help kickstart things.

He obviously new that certain foods would be triggers/allergies for people hence the ladder - if you were doing atkins but allergic to many foods - you couldn't be accused of not doing atkins, because you would be doing it as best you can.

[ziggy]

Re: Not following Atkins?

i tend to have to keep my vegetables really low for IBS issues

and if i eat cheese for more than 1 meal per day the lactose sugars are enough to stall me

however eating lots of protein has never stalled me but eating way to much in 1 sitting does make me feel a little groggy but i have to eat a very large amount to get like that

also it depends on the quality of meat

but lately i have been eating buffalo and i swear every time i eat it as long as its not over cooked was just over cooked one time but every time i eat it i feel it haveing a great health effect on me im thinking is this what true organic meat does? it's amazing and its not certified organic but its far better than any of the certified organic meats iv had

[sandislim]

Re: Not following Atkins?

i tend to have to keep my vegetables really low for IBS issues

and if i eat cheese for more than 1 meal per day the lactose sugars are enough to stall me

however eating lots of protein has never stalled me but eating way to much in 1 sitting does make me feel a little groggy but i have to eat a very large amount to get like that

also it depends on the quality of meat

but lately i have been eating buffalo and i swear every time i eat it as long as its not over cooked was just over cooked one time but every time i eat it i feel it haveing a great health effect on me im thinking is this what true organic meat does? it's amazing and its not certified organic but its far better than any of the certified organic meats iv had

With organic meat (or should I say REAL organic meat) the animals eat their natural diet which means no grains! Other meat gets fed grains which changes the omega 3-6 ratio which makes the fat in the meat less healthy than it should be. Getting pasture fed meat is better than not, and some organic meats I think can be grain fed.

[forbey]

Re: Not following Atkins?

I follow Atkins '72, but I've been an Atkins 2002 girl for so many years, I still give proper, by the book advice. It's ingrained!

I would have probably stuck with the 72 book, but I couldn't find it (I'm sure I still have it, but just couldn't find it), so I bought the 02 version. I also use the "Atkins Diabetes Revolution" and the TNT Diet. Personally, if I thought the Dali Lama had advice that would help me correct my diabetes situation and in the long run help me lose more weight, I would use it.

As a Marine of decades gone by, I'm not one who believes in carrying only one "weapon" into battle. If I got fat just eating donuts, the advice pathway to good health would be much simpler. There are some, here in the midwest, who don't know what a vegetable is, they survive on "meat'n'taters", whose definition of seafood is catfish caught in the local creek, covered in breading and deep fried, while consuming massive quantities of beer. (nothing wrong with deep fried, as long as you loose the breading and the beer, LOL!.)

My appetite isn't run by Frosted Flakes, HoHos or Moon Pies. I never even consumed lots of high octane (not sugar free) sodas.

But, I did let the pastas, breads, and vegetables too high on the glycemic index for my diabetes, pretty much run my life.

So, I have to approach Atkins by looking at my lab numbers, my blood sugars, my appearance, my feeling of well being and my weight (and/or clothing fit) to get the best results for me.

Which is where I believe my position for offering advice comes in. I refuse to come from the "you're doing it wrong" place and try to come from either a strictly informational base or "this is what worked for me" place.

But, that is just me.

forbey

[kareena]

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i hear u forbey!
thanks for all ur comments,they're always very informative!! glad to have u on-board!!
happy low-carbing!

[cleochatra]

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Thanks for your service, forbey! My dad was Special Forces MAC V SOG. If it wasn't for Atkins, the cancer would have killed him years earlier (cancer loves sugar and my dad did '72).

[Browneyedmelly]

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Personally I feel this is a board where we come to seek help and support..I do not think anyone shouldn't mention, how they had to tweak something to make it work for them, what if I am having the same problem..because my gallbladder was taken out, I can not eat things like chicken skin, or heavily fried foods, as it makes me very sick, it would be nice to see how others counteract that.....for some reason, I can't seem to drop my blood sugar even after being on this wol for almost a year...I wouldn't go ballistic if someone had a suggestion as to why..so please do not stop sharing...I also did the 1970's version of Atkins, lost 23 pounds in 2 weeks.. ate a boat load of bacon, probably couldn't eat the boat load of bacon ever again, plus I wasn't this heavy....but... anyway please do not stop sharing, on different ways this wol has helped...it's what really helps me..

[forbey]

Re: Not following Atkins?

"First, I've been "doing Atkins" of an on since 1982. Where does that fit into the "experience" equation"

For me it doesn't make any difference. I would rather follow the advice of those people who have been successful on Atkins than that of someone who has yet to make Atkins a lifestyle.

"I also have a Bachaelor of Science in Agriculture, specializing in nutrition. Where does that fit into the "experience" equation."

This doesn't matter to me either, because I don't see what it has to do with being "experienced" about Atkins.

Who has not made Atkins a lifestyle yet? I haven't located a link to check in with the forum "lifestyle" police, can you direct me to that link? How long does it take to officially be identified as a lifestyle? I've been successful on Atkins 3, 4, maybe 5 times in my life. Not only that, but I know what happens if you choose to go back to the old way of eating. So tell me who I have to check in with to determine if I meet the "successful" criteria.

Now your last comment is more telling than you probably know. We have numerous threads about mainstream nutritionists who have no clue about what they are talking about, and the scientific research is present to lead them to the light, but they refuse to see it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a nutritionist, never have been. My nutritional education (while the science of fat, carbs, protein, calories, etc is the same) I studied how to feed livestock to get the effect desired for the specified animal. Back in the 80s that meant how to make stronger and faster horses, and how to make bigger and fatter cattle, hogs and sheep. Funny, the mainstream medical supporters are using the same guidelines for healthy humans that we studied to make fat hogs.

Let's say we have a 500 pound man, goes on Atkins, looses 300 pounds and keeps it off for 10 years and counting. Because this person has been "successful" on Atkins, does this qualify him to guarantee success for my 290 pound body looking to lose 50 to 70 pounds? Or, does it qualify him to share what worked/works for him and to present possible solutions that another individual can try to see if it works for them?

Does a forum member's title (under their name) provide sufficient accreditation as an Atkins nutritionist? Is the title "moderator" a qualifier for an individuals expertise in "doing Atkins" or is it a title given to a volunteer who makes a committment to help keep a web forum running smoothly. I think my title is "adventurer", does that mean I'm experienced and qualified to expand my Atkins advice to new and exciting directions, or does it simply mean I have a reached a randomly determined number of posts in the forum?

Can I learn somethings that might not work for me, that might be useful for someone else? YUPP! Can I provide suggestions to someone that might help them fine tune their program (if they choose to take my advice)? YUPP! Am I qualified to tell someone 2000 to 3000 miles away, who I don't know from anywhere but here, that they are or are not "doing" or "committed" or "successful" on Atkins? NOPE!

But I can offer praise for their successes. I can try and convince them that falling off the wagon is never as bad as deciding to not get back on it. I can recommend to someone that the "minimum recommended daily water consumption of 64 ounces" may just very well be a minimum and that there isn't a listed maximum. YUPP!

There are several "Atkins Heroes" for me on this forum, I label them this, not just because of their own success, but also for their advice and the way that advice is presented.

So far, I don't recall any of them telling someone else "You're not doing Atkins."

forbey

[forbey]

Re: Not following Atkins?

Thanks for your service, forbey! My dad was Special Forces MAC V SOG. If it wasn't for Atkins, the cancer would have killed him years earlier (cancer loves sugar and my dad did '72).

I'll bet the fact that he was a fighter with a never give up atitude had as much going for him as did the change in his diet!

OOH-RAH!

[JaxMama]

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browneyed, is there a forum on here for people that have had their gallbladders taken out? Just wondering....
forbey, thank you for letting me but in and ask...

[forbey]

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...I do not think anyone shouldn't mention, how they had to tweak something to make it work for them, what if I am having the same problem...

Browneyedmelly, I absolutely agress, sharing is the key! I've picked up several ideas from the forum that have helped me adjust what I was eating and to discover that some of what I thought was ok, actually was not. And, my intent with this thread is not to stop anyone from giving advice, just not taking that advice further than anyone here is qualified to do.

Good luck with the sugars, I finally got mine below 200 the last part of April. That was after 20 years of bad sugar management. It took me from January to do it... a little at a time. Now the goal is to keep them below 150. So far for May I'm sitting with approximately 75% of my readings below 150 and none above 200. A few more tweaks and I hope to have them dialed in.

The journey down the road to good health is difficult alone and made much easier with the assistance of others on the same journey. Every now and then we all need a swift kick in the britches, and that is fine.
But, the road gets more difficult, if all you hear is "yer on the wrong road", or "yer doin it wrong", or "you shoulda caught the other bus"!

forbey

[forbey]

Re: Not following Atkins?

browneyed, is there a forum on here for people that have had their gallbladders taken out? Just wondering....
forbey, thank you for letting me but in and ask...

Just checked the "Atkins for Health" section of the Forum Index, didn't see one. You might suggest to the powers that be, to create one, I'm sure with the number of members in this forum there has to be more than just 2.

Me, my gallbladder is all present and accounted for. Some might say it is working way to well!

forbey

[Browneyedmelly]

Re: Not following Atkins?

Jaxmama, the point I was trying to make was that, sometimes it hinders me in my fat consumption, so my ears are all open to other's suggestion..that, that was one of my issues...Thank the stars for people like Bizzle.. who helped more than she will ever know with my thyroid issues.....that was all I ment....Thanks forbey, I am hoping for better blood work the next time, as some of it even being on this wol, wasn't great.....I wish you well on your sugar issues as well..

[not2late]

Re: Not following Atkins?

I think ADBB's running into the same problem it did before Tom put in the Phase Specific Forums. I think it would avoid confusion if the people on OWL, Pre-Maintenance, Maintenance, and Induction were to post their menues and questions about their Phases in those forums, so they can get Phase- specific answers/advice.

For example, if someone posted that they eat 50 net carbs of food daily and they want to know why they haven't lost weight, the answer they would get in the Induction Forum would be different than the answer they would get in the OWL/Pre-Maintenance Forum and/or the Maintenance Forum.

In regards to what is "doing Atkins", Atkins is a specific low carb diet with specific rules. So eating a cheat meal once a day or once a month is not Atkins, because cheat meals are not a part of the Atkins Diet. Eating 20 net carbs daily but only 2 of those carbs are coming from veg, is not Atkins Induction: because Atkins Induction Rules clearly state that most of your carbs are to come from veggies and 2 is not "most" of 20.

One of the greatest misconceptions about Atkins is that the entire diet is the Induction Phase. So you'll hear it---quite often from people who should know better---that Atkins is hard to stick to because you can't ever eat more than 20 net carbs daily, that you will never be able to eat fruit and grains, that you have to eat alot of protein, etc.

When I moved to OWL, I went to a family meal and had a few strawberries and a relative whispered "I knew she wouldn't stick to Atkins." So according to this relative-by-marriage, I was not doing Atkins because I was eating strawberries. And I think that misconception is a real tragedy for the Diet as a whole because the myth of Induction being the entire Atkins Diet just perpetuates.