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[Mutantmom]

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3 cups of iceberg lettuce is a veritable nutritional wasteland. And it's certainly not getting "MOST" of your daily net carbs from Induction vegetables.

You are assuming you know what my carb count is right now, which I have not stated, so it is actually possible for me to be right on track with this...but thanks for the thought. I happen to love iceberg lettuce so it was a good place for me to start...I eat it like some would eat an apple...I love how it explodes in the mouth like a waterfall...

[Farley]

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One cup of any of the veggies listed is just a joke to me

This is what Atkins is about. Adding small amounts of OWL foods. Sometimes only a few tablespoons (legumes). It's not a joke, it's just the way Atkins is done. Cook up more, and freeze the rest, or eat it as leftovers through the week. Besides, there's nothing saying you can't eat your vegetables raw. Raw bell peppers, or raw tomato are good examples of food that require little to no preperation. Part of starting Atkins for some people is broadening your food horizons. Add foods you have never tried before. I had never tried spagetti squash which I added to my diet during OWL. I LOVE it.

You may find a food you fall in love with by adding some things from the list you've never tried before.

[Mutantmom]

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I would read Chapter 11 right now. Then go back and read the other chapters.

You're doing yourself a disservice by not knowing what it is you're trying to do.

>>I am limiting my carb intake much more than most on purpose.>>

Why?

No, I don't think so, the book was written in the order it is written in for a reason, reading through the chapter might take a little more time but I am learning so much about why and how the diet works. For me that is invaluable information. If I just skip to the food lists, I won't understand what I'm doing and will certainly get it wrong. I don't think that is good advice for anybody starting out...or anybody coming back to Atkins and trying to get it right for the first time. I will just read through the book and absorb what I can along the way, I'm really not in a huge rush, this woe is going to be a life change, not a quick fix.

thanks though,
mutantmom

[atkinsgal08]

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>>You are assuming you know what my carb count is right now, which I have not stated,>>

Then please do tell.

3 cups of chopped iceberg is 2.98 net carbs. I would hate to think that that's MOST of what you're eating.

[atkinsgal08]

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I didn't suggest you don't read the first 10 chapters ... it's just that you're going about this all backwards ... you're not understanding enough of what 2002 Induction is about ... and that's how you're doing yourself a disservice.

There's more to Ch. 11 than just the list of foods.

[Georgiana]

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not to mention that I eat 3 cups of iceberg lettuce so I've surpassed the 2 cup allowance according to the book.

No...I added the 3 cups when I moved to OWL

So if you are in OWL, why are you worrying about "the 2 cup allowance"?

Or do you think you're doing good having 3 cups of iceberg lettuce as your OWL Rung 1 addition?

[Farley]

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Would you be willing to post what your menu looked like yesterday/today (including dinner/snacks you plan on having)?

It would certainly help to see what you are eating and in what quantities.
Thanks,
Farls,

[2big4mysize]

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I'm confused is this what you did?
you did induction with all your veggies coming from the 3 cup list? and now you are eating OWl with 5 more net grams of those salad veggies, but you started with more lettuce?

Have you used a nutrtional tracker like fitday.com to see if you are lacking in any vits and minerals from your food choices and your supplements?
those veggies on the other list contain larger amounts of some vits and minerals then the salad veggies list does, especially when one choses iceberg lettuce since it has only vit A some potassium, a little folate, calcium and phosphorus in 3 cups.
If you allow yourself to become deficient in vits and minerals you can slow your metabolism and fat burning in addition to other harmful to your body things. We can enter all our supplements into fitday as custom foods and just eat one or however many one consumes each day for the vits and mineral counts in the nutrtional reports section of fitday to be accurate.

[Mutantmom]

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This is getting a little ahead of me.

1. I did 2 weeks of 'induction' according to the latest book, it was initially successful but I wound up putting all the weight I lost back on within the two weeks (still sticking to the plan, I was eating soy noodles and other foods 'allowed' in the new book that obviously did not work well for me"

2. I decided to go bare bones and reduce my carbs as much as possible staying within the Fat 65%, carbs 5% and Protein at 30%, my carbs have remained under 5% for the last two two weeks but I have been able to keep the fat/protein as close to or at those numbers.

3. I was going to do this reduced carb version of induction until I reached goal, but after reading many posts here, decided to move into OWL and add more carbs.

4. I was confused about the grams of carbs because in the books and on this board I keep hearing moving from 20-25g, I'm nowhere near 20g of carbs so I was not sure if I could call adding 5grams OWL...mixed reactions and answers to that question.

5. I decided to add the 5g of salad veggies (iceberg lettuce) to what I am already eating which took my carbs up and call it OWL.

Now, I might not be able to call what I'm doing OWL, and if that is the case, I'm ok with considering myself still in Induction, my numbers are still induction numbers (which is why I questioned the percentages in OWL) even with adding the 3 cups of lettuce.

No, I will not post what I am eating. No I am not craving foods outside of what I am eating. From March 6th to March 31st I lost 12.9lbs, which I think is pretty good for one month, so the way I am eating has not stalled me, I continue to lose (I've not been on the scale this week due to TOM).

Farley - I hope you did not think I was mocking Atkins, I am actually doing just that, adding a little bit back at a time, what I am saying is that I don't want to eat only 1 cup of green beans, I'd rather add another 3 cups of iceberg lettuce...I'm just using that as an example, I've not actually worked out the net carb count in that so it is not exact. Why you might ask? I love iceberg lettuce and am not as crazy about beans...really it is no more than that, I am really attempting to keep this as simple as possible. I am not willing to post my menus because I don't want to focus on the food, I have very specific questions that should not be muddled down in food, my food choices are very simple, very basic, but I am eating between 1200-2000 calories daily and am keeping my percentages within the induction requirements.

atkinsgal08 - Thank you for the suggestion of skipping to chapter 11, but honeslty that is how I've been doing Atkins all along, for the past 9 or so years, skipping through the book, not really reading it, just pulling out pieces that fit what I was doing at the time. This time I'm committed to this woe, it is not just a diet to me anymore. It will work if I work it...which is what I am doing, a huge part of that for me is actually reading the book from cover to cover, I am on the 3rd book, the other two I read cover to cover and learned so much, I realize I've never done Atkins right, which is why I am asking so many questions now.

Georgiana - I did not realize the 2 cup allowance does not apply to OWL, that is an exact quote from the '02 book. I skipped to chapter 11 because that was the instruction I was given (that is the list I was going by). This makes my point that I should not skip all over the place, chapter 11 is The Induction Phase, because I skipped right to the list, I did not even read the title to the chapter..I'm heading back to chapter 3 and finishing the book in proper order. I am very comfortable with the 3 cups of lettuce being my rung 1...I initially asked how many grams of carbs I have to be consuming to be considered OWL is it 20? I was given different answers. My percentages (even with the 3 cups of lettuce) are still induction numbers, so I guess I'm still in the Induction Phase and should just keep adding the salad veggies until I get to 20g and then move to OWL, I'm ok with doing that, the positive part of this is that I took the step mentally and was fine with it...I will be able to move into OWL once at 20g of carbs easily now.

2big4mysize - yes, I use fitday everyday, nothing passes my lips without going on that site. I take vitamins and minerals and feel great so I'm sure I'm ok. Yes, I plan on only adding more salad veggies when I reach rung 1 of OWL.

The best part of this conversation is that I've learned a great deal just from these last few posts. I am not on rung 1 of OWL and once I reach the end of the book I will understand why I need to be at 20g in order to move forward. I'm ok with still being in Induction and will simply consider it an extended induction until I reach 20g and am able to move to 25g (assuming I will be able to eat that many grams of carbs). If not, I will pretty much be in the same place I am in now...too few carbs to be considered OWL and nowhere to go...I'll cross that bridge when I reach it.

thanks everybody,
mutantmom

[2big4mysize]

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looks like you have things under control.

we do not have to eat 20 grams for induction that is the upper limit as the rule says eat no more then 20 grams of carbs most of which MUST comein the form of salad greens and other veggies. rule 3 DANDR chapter 11 2002

notice there is no wiggle room there. if one eats only 5 grams of carbs from veggies then one can only have 9.99999999999999999999999999999999 grams total.

our other grams should come from legal foods like eggs, cheese, cream, some shellfish, legal sweetners, legal beverages,special catagoty foods (like cream avacados, lemon juice and/or olives), and spices, and herbs. So if one wants to have eggs and cheese as part of their atkins and use things like pepper, cinnamon garlic, rosemary and thyme, and sweetners then one needs to eat their legal higher carb veggies to get the veggie 50.1% of ther total net carbs higher.

[Mutantmom]

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looks like you have things under control.

we do not have to eat 20 grams for induction that is the upper limit as the rule says eat no more then 20 grams of carbs most of which MUST comein the form of salad greens and other veggies. rule 3 DANDR chapter 11 2002

notice there is no wiggle room there. if one eats only 5 grams of carbs from veggies then one can only have 9.99999999999999999999999999999999 grams total.

our other grams should come from legal foods like eggs, cheese, cream, some shellfish, legal sweetners, legal beverages,special catagoty foods (like cream avacados, lemon juice and/or olives), and spices, and herbs. So if one wants to have eggs and cheese as part of their atkins and use things like pepper, cinnamon garlic, rosemary and thyme, and sweetners then one needs to eat their legal higher carb veggies to get the veggie 50.1% of ther total net carbs higher.

I have no idea how you got to these numbers, this is so confusing. If I am eaing 5 grams of carbs from veggies then why can I only have 9.99999999999 grams total? Are you saying total carbs for the day? Why? I don't understand.

[2big4mysize]

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I have no idea how you got to these numbers, this is so confusing. If I am eaing 5 grams of carbs from veggies then why can I only have 9.99999999999 grams total? Are you saying total carbs for the day? Why? I don't understand.

if most of our carbs HAVE to come from veggies for induction then we can't consume more grams of carbs from foods not veggies then we do veggies.

if a person only had 5 of their total for the day from veggies then they must have less then 5 from all other sources for the veggie grams to be most of the total for the day.


if one wants those 4 ounces of chese which Dr Atkins say are 4 grams of carbs and the 3 packets of sweetners which Dr Atkisn says we count as 1 gram per packet, and some eggs around .6 each then we better eat at least 9 grams worth of vegie carbs in our 3 cup limit.

this is one sneaky way on his part to force us not to just have 3 cups of lettuce as our veggies so we get more texture, mor variety, more vits and minerals from natural sources in our 3 cup choices. the new book goies even further and sasy there has to be 12-15 net grams of veggies which is a heck of a lot of cups of lettuce.

[Mutantmom]

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if most of our carbs HAVE to come from veggies for induction then we can't consume more grams of carbs from foods not veggies then we do veggies.

if a person only had 5 of their total for the day from veggies then they must have less then 5 from all other sources for the veggie grams to be most of the total for the day.


if one wants those 4 ounces of chese which Dr Atkins say are 4 grams of carbs and the 3 packets of sweetners which Dr Atkisn says we count as 1 gram per packet, and some eggs around .6 each then we better eat at least 9 grams worth of vegie carbs in our 3 cup limit.

this is one sneaky way on his part to force us not to just have 3 cups of lettuce as our veggies so we get more texture, mor variety, more vits and minerals from natural sources in our 3 cup choices. the new book goies even further and sasy there has to be 12-15 net grams of veggies which is a heck of a lot of cups of lettuce.

You see, I don't think people think about this as much as those here have, at least I have not. I can easily say that I am not consuming enough veggies, but could indeed eat that much lettuce and be happy...I am opening my fitday right now to look at my stats.

Yesterday my carbs were 14.3 (that is total carbs, not net), with the majority of those coming from my lettuce and cheese. Cheese was alittle more than lettuce (total) but would be quite a bit more if I figure net. My calories were 1,952 but my percentages were spot on fat 68%, protein 30%, carbs 3%. When I look at this I say, great, my percentages are right and call it a day...I don't obsess over the idea of getting the majority of my carbs from veggies.

Ok, so I have to rethink this again. Starting tomorrow I am going to try and figure out how to get the majority of my carbs from veggies while keeping my percentages correct...why do I think this is going to be more difficult than it sounds...looks like I will have more than one bowl of lettuce.

mutantmom

[atkinsgal08]

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>>I can easily say that I am not consuming enough veggies,>>

Time to start then. Since you know what's wrong, it's easy enough to fix.

>>keeping my percentages correct..>>

DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR PERCENTAGES!!!! That's a false sense of security and it is simply NOT what doing Atkins is about.

NO WHERE in the Rules of Induction (that chapter you haven't read) does he talk about %s.

>> don't obsess over the idea of getting the majority of my carbs from veggies.>>

That's what you should be doing though.

Atkins is about counting carbs.

[Mutantmom]

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I am playing in fitday right now, I am in tomorrows allowences and have put in the following foods and still have not balance this out..


6 whole boiled eggs 3.3 total carbs
8 cups of lettuce 13.1 total carbs
12 chicken wings 0.0 total carbs

16.4 total carbs, 90.2g protein and 73.0g fat.

Fat = 60%, Carbs = 5% and Protein = 35% (which is way too high)

What would you change do with this menu?

Thanks

mutantmom