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[atkinsgal08]

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First off, is there something about "don't focus so much on percentages" that you're not following?

8 cups of lettuce isn't doing Atkins properly. If that's you're whole day, it's awful. Where's the variety?

And ... we count NET carbs ... so how many net carbs do you have?

And ... you should enter your food in Fitday in the "raw" state, so your eggs should be entered as eggs, whole, raw.

WHY are you limiting yourself to just lettuce????

[atkinsgal08]

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And ... how many calories is that?

[atkinsgal08]

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Percentages can be a tool ... they are not an indication that you're doing Atkins properly.

They are a guideline.

Putting so much emphasis on them isn't what Atkins is about.

[Mutantmom]

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First off, is there something about "don't focus so much on percentages" that you're not following?

8 cups of lettuce isn't doing Atkins properly. If that's you're whole day, it's awful. Where's the variety?

And ... we count NET carbs ... so how many net carbs do you have?

And ... you should enter your food in Fitday in the "raw" state, so your eggs should be entered as eggs, whole, raw.

WHY are you limiting yourself to just lettuce????

Why can't you let go of the lettuce...why do I limit myself to lettuce? Simple, I love lettuce, no other reason, there is no hidden agenda, I simply love lettuce...please let that be ok.

Ok, if I am not to focus on the percentages (which is my gage) then maybe I shoud eat say 40% carbs and only 10% fat...that would fit into not focusing on the percentages...I know they won't be perfect, but 65/5/30 is the accepted percentage levels on every board and is also in the book...so why wouldn't I focus on the percentages? If I am eating the food cooked why would I enter it in Fitday raw and how did you come to that conclusion?

Egg, whole raw = 429 calories 29.8g fat 2.3g carbs and 37.7g protein
Egg, whole boiled 463 calories 31.7g fat 3.3g carbs and 37.6g protein

It seems that entering the egg cooked gives a better idea of actual carbs than raw...I want to be accurate in my carb count.

Thanks
mutantmom

[Mutantmom]

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and ... How many calories is that?

1,097

[atkinsgal08]

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Did you start with a raw egg? Then that's what you enter into Fitday. That will be accurate.

Fitday often adds things to it's cooked foods. Things we don't know about.

>>why wouldn't I focus on the percentages?>>

Because Dr. Atkins says to count the carbs.

Period.

The %s can be a guideline if someone is having trouble ... they can be used to trouble shoot. They are simply not the end all and be all to how to do Atkins properly.

There's 50+ vegetables on the Induction food list. I get that you like lettuce. However, Atkins is about being healthy, and restricting yourself to the most empty lettuce (nutritionally speaking) there is doesn't seem to be a good plan.

>> It seems that entering the egg cooked gives a better idea of actual carbs than raw>>

>> Egg, whole raw = 429 calories 29.8g fat 2.3g carbs>>

This can't be from Fitday.

A large egg on Fitday is 71.5 calories, .39 total carbs, and 6.3 grams of fiber.

[atkinsgal08]

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>> 1,097>>

You need about twice as many calories as that.

A good rule of thumb is to eat 10-12 times your current body weight in order to lose.

[2big4mysize]

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You see, I don't think people think about this as much as those here have, at least I have not. I can easily say that I am not consuming enough veggies, but could indeed eat that much lettuce and be happy...I am opening my fitday right now to look at my stats.

Yesterday my carbs were 14.3 (that is total carbs, not net), with the majority of those coming from my lettuce and cheese. Cheese was alittle more than lettuce (total) but would be quite a bit more if I figure net. My calories were 1,952 but my percentages were spot on fat 68%, protein 30%, carbs 3%. When I look at this I say, great, my percentages are right and call it a day...I don't obsess over the idea of getting the majority of my carbs from veggies.

Ok, so I have to rethink this again. Starting tomorrow I am going to try and figure out how to get the majority of my carbs from veggies while keeping my percentages correct...why do I think this is going to be more difficult than it sounds...looks like I will have more than one bowl of lettuce.

mutantmom

well see you are not having frankenfood thoughts or not healthy food thoughts.

let me see if I can give you a little history of that most from the veggies rule

in 1972 after induction there were no rules for adding back just count grams of carbs

in 1992 Dr Atkins thinking folk would be thinking like him said 20 gram limit for induction here is a list but you could use a gram counter and make your own lists as you saw in rule 5 of that book.

well needless to say folk went crazy eating not healthy foods cause they kept the carbs under 20 things like junkfood with steaks eggs butter and bacon. needless to say folk didn't have the long term success Dr Atkins thought they should be having and lets face it if one could do induction eating their favorite junk food every day as part of their induction 20 grams they would. then on to OWL and add more junk food.

in the early 2000s there was an explosion of what we atkineers call frankenfoods where you could buy a whole choclate cake that had just 24 net carbs for over 3000 cals worth of cake. needless to say folk did the frankenfood atkins and could use all their carbs on low carb junk foods if they believed in those mythical magical noncounted counting carbs that vanish in net effective carb boxes on products.

And so 2002 rolls around and since Dr Atkins stresses whole natural foods as you are reading in the 2002 book the veggies have to be most of your carbs rule reighned in those folk. if somebody wanted a bar back then they had to have veggies too. if they wanted a shake they had to have veggies too. if they wanted candy ( usually only once cause f the bathroom effect of the CYP stuff) they had to have veggies too.

And when OWL arrive on day 15 those who were drooling over the cakes pies candy and pastries that were wearing the low carb labels thinking now I can add those to my atkins Dr Atkins had the OWL carb ladder ready to force them to eat healthy whole foods too.

[Mutantmom]

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>> 1,097>>

You need about twice as many calories as that.

A good rule of thumb is to eat 10-12 times your current body weight in order to lose.

What? Where do you get your numbers? My doc told me to keep my calories between 1200-1500...where do you get 2000? Ok, I'm not so sure I want to take your posts seriously anymore...

[Mutantmom]

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well see you are not having frankenfood thoughts or not healthy food thoughts.

let me see if I can give you a little history of that most from the veggies rule

in 1972 after induction there were no rules for adding back just count grams of carbs

in 1992 Dr Atkins thinking folk would be thinking like him said 20 gram limit for induction here is a list but you could use a gram counter and make your own lists as you saw in rule 5 of that book.

well needless to say folk went crazy eating not healthy foods cause they kept the carbs under 20 things like junkfood with steaks eggs butter and bacon. needless to say folk didn't have the long term success Dr Atkins thought they should be having and lets face it if one could do induction eating their favorite junk food every day as part of their induction 20 grams they would. then on to OWL and add more junk food.

in the early 2000s there was an explosion of what we atkineers call frankenfoods where you could buy a whole choclate cake that had just 24 net carbs for over 3000 cals worth of cake. needless to say folk did the frankenfood atkins and could use all their carbs on low carb junk foods if they believed in those mythical magical noncounted counting carbs that vanish in net effective carb boxes on products.

And so 2002 rolls around and since Dr Atkins stresses whole natural foods as you are reading in the 2002 book the veggies have to be most of your carbs rule reighned in those folk. if somebody wanted a bar back then they had to have veggies too. if they wanted a shake they had to have veggies too. if they wanted candy ( usually only once cause f the bathroom effect of the CYP stuff) they had to have veggies too.

And when OWL arrive on day 15 those who were drooling over the cakes pies candy and pastries that were wearing the low carb labels thinking now I can add those to my atkins Dr Atkins had the OWL carb ladder ready to force them to eat healthy whole foods too.

Ok, so the most of your carbs from veggies came from an explosion of frankenfoods...I remember those days...

So is it a steadfast rule? Or can I accept my menu above because my stats are correct and I am not in any way eating junk? There seems to be many people here with different ideas...if you accept one, someone else speaks up and tells you it is wrong, so you do the other and someone else states that is wrong...this is too funny.

I just finished 10 miles on my stationary bike set at a resistance of 6 and 4 miles on the treadmill. It is past 10PM and I really need to go to bed. Right now I will stick with the diet I am eating, at least I know that my percentages are excellent and my foods are balanced. I will deal with the idea of changing the veggie portion in the morning.

Thank you all for your input, I am listening to all of you, I might have a slight twitch at the end, but at least I will be doing the diet correctly.

have a great night
mutantmom

[atkinsgal08]

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What? Where do you get your numbers? My doc told me to keep my calories between 1200-1500...where do you get 2000? Ok, I'm not so sure I want to take your posts seriously anymore...

Does your doctor know about what's involved with Atkins? If so, then I'll defer to him/her.

However, I've been doing Atkins support for over 6 years, and this "rule of thumb" is something that works.

Undereating, both in net carbs and calories doesn't work with Atkins.

Take me "seriously" or not ... that's up to you.

I, however, taken Atkins quite seriously, and don't make it a habit of making things up.

>>where do you get 2000? >>

From the weight listed on your posts.

I can, as the saying goes, "do the math".

Good luck with your journey.

[2big4mysize]

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when we shift our menu from high carb like the USDA we get an increased cal burn of processing the food from mouth to energy of any where from 25-30% depending on where you actually eat your protein fat and carb percents compared to eating them based on the USDA eating plan. so if your doc said keep your cals between 1200-1500 to lose weight based on just lowering your cals but keeping the high carb USDA plan you could get the same weight loss eating 1500- 1875 cals eating atkins.
it only takes about 4% of the availible cals in a carbohydrate to process it from mouth to body energy units.

And since waste heat loss is lowered eating Atkins as fats wasted only 2-3% vs 6-8% for carbs we will use more cals to keep warm too.

[Mutantmom]

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Did you start with a raw egg? Then that's what you enter into Fitday. That will be accurate.

Fitday often adds things to it's cooked foods. Things we don't know about.

>>why wouldn't I focus on the percentages?>>

Because Dr. Atkins says to count the carbs.

Period.

The %s can be a guideline if someone is having trouble ... they can be used to trouble shoot. They are simply not the end all and be all to how to do Atkins properly.

There's 50+ vegetables on the Induction food list. I get that you like lettuce. However, Atkins is about being healthy, and restricting yourself to the most empty lettuce (nutritionally speaking) there is doesn't seem to be a good plan.

>> It seems that entering the egg cooked gives a better idea of actual carbs than raw>>

>> Egg, whole raw = 429 calories 29.8g fat 2.3g carbs>>

This can't be from Fitday.

A large egg on Fitday is 71.5 calories, .39 total carbs, and 6.3 grams of fiber.

Fitday does not add anything to egg, whole, boiled, and those numbers are for 6 eggs not one...as my menu listed 6, and yes, it is from Fitday...

I get that you don't like my veggie choice, but you really should back off. If I want to eat lettuce that is exactly what I am going to do, your protest will not change that for me. Fortunately, this food is not going into your body; so really, don't fret too much about it. Please stop assuming you know my health status, I believe my visits to my physician address my level of health. I am an adult, if at any time my physician seems to agree that how I am eating is unhealthy or she begins to agree with your diagnosis that I am not healthy I will make changes, until then I think I’m ok, but thank you for the concern.

I really do prefer to go with the larger amount of carbs, the cooked egg amount. Dr. Atkins also states that some veggies are more carb dense cooked than not, so why would I not apply that to all my food, if I eat it raw, I will put it in as a raw food, if not I will find the closest cooked food on Fitday and use that…if it increases the carbs too much, I can only benefit from that. Dr. Atkins also states that we have to have balance in our diets, and goes into length about how we should lower fat when we increase carbs, thus, one should be concerned about the entire diet and not just focus on the carbs alone…that is not doing Atkins correctly.

The percentages are a very important part of how I do Atkins, Dr. Atkins points out in the ’92 book that “There are two ways to determine this CCLL. Which one you choose will depend on your personality. If you’re a precise, methodical person, who likes weighing, measuring, and numbering, then you’ll find out the actual number...for those among you who are precise, numerically oriented people, the CCLL will be a fairly precise number…On the other hand you may be a rule of thumb person…” Obviously I am precise and you are rule of thumb…let’s just leave it at that.

Down another 2lbs this AM…so I must be doing something right.

[Farley]

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I agree with the OP that they can do whatever they want to loose weight. They can eat iceburg lettuce only if that's what they choose. They can follow whatever program they set out for themselves, and if they have the support of their physician, all the better.

This forum is made up primarily of people who are following Atkins a certain way. The reason atkinsgal's opinion differs from OP is because the dietary choices OP has made differ from the way the members of the forum generally do Atkins. OP can do "Atkins" any way they choose. However, when it comes down to the OP's dietary choices, many of the forum members will disagree with them, and feel that they are not the healthiest choices. I agree with atkinsgal that the food choices of the OP leave something to be desired, but I also agree with the OP that they can do their "diet" any way they see fit.

Results may vary.

[Mutantmom]

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I agree with the OP that they can do whatever they want to loose weight. They can eat iceburg lettuce only if that's what they choose. They can follow whatever program they set out for themselves, and if they have the support of their physician, all the better.

This forum is made up primarily of people who are following Atkins a certain way. The reason atkinsgal's opinion differs from OP is because the dietary choices OP has made differ from the way the members of the forum generally do Atkins. OP can do "Atkins" any way they choose. However, when it comes down to the OP's dietary choices, many of the forum members will disagree with them, and feel that they are not the healthiest choices. I agree with atkinsgal that the food choices of the OP leave something to be desired, but I also agree with the OP that they can do their "diet" any way they see fit.

Results may vary.

I'm not quite sure why this post was necessary. The choices I am making come directly from the book, I am eating what is listed in the salad vegetables, I am not eating frankenfoods, I am not substituting out foods, I am eating what Dr. Atkins has stated is allowed on Induction, nothing more, because I do not eat the quantity that some here eat does not mean I am not doing the diet incorrectly, it just means I am being a little more strict with my choices FOR NOW.

I have learned quite a bit from the replies, and hope that continues. I am reading the '02 book, however, the responses have varied as much on this site as on others so no two people are doing the diet exactly the same. I will add more and more salad vegies as I progress, at some point I will be at 20g at that point I will move into OWL, but for now I will remain at my induction levels.

mutantmom