So , why are we so tough at ADBB about following Atkins to the letter?

[ttdriver]

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I am so happy to be on this board that takes a tough stance on doing Atkins by the book, the right way.

Thank you to the admins, moderators, and all those who support that tough stance.

Betty

[Heidi3]

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funny...and this is just my observation mind you..but the person who started this thread bagged and left (of her own accord) because she could not stand to follow the rules of the Atkins Plan or the board...

rules are fine they are understandable and keep order ......

being tough is relevant to the situation and should be taken on with great care and consideration......

it does not work or is appreciated by everyone

I have been known to be as gentle as a bull elephant ..but I would like to think that I come across as straight forward ...not rude ..if I am rude or harsh I would hope someone would say something directly to me ..because this is not imho what this is all about ....I would rather share my story and warn about my own failures...and mistakes...then force someone into following what I think works wonderfully well

I am a good example I think of how Atkins works for the duration

[Horsenpuggy]

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I just want to say all these posts that have been going around have made me question the Atkins way and that it really is to strict (except for induction when you absolutely need be) and that even though this board give awesome support maybe a gentlier approach is sometimes warrented and that is why some have been scared off....................just a thought.

[Desertthorn]

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Jeees, is this subject never going to end. I thought that it was debated and put to bed in Barbde post. We all agreed to be kind, loving and helpful, and if we can't, we just move on and let someone else be kind, loving and helpful.
Also something about Bren holding a BellyButton Beauty Contest.

[Barbde]

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Jeees, is this subject never going to end. I thought that it was debated and put to bed in Barbde post. We all agreed to be kind, loving and helpful, and if we can't, we just move on and let someone else be kind, loving and helpful.
Also something about Bren holding a BellyButton Beauty Contest.

Wow. Did that agreement happen after I went to bed? Going to go back and check it out!

[adreliluc]

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funny...and this is just my observation mind you..but the person who started this thread bagged and left (of her own accord) because she could not stand to follow the rules of the Atkins Plan or the board...

Heidi, I thought she left because she grew tired of being attacked for viewing/doing things a little differently than some of the people here (what's really funny is that they tend to usually be the same people ).

In my opinion she has been and still is one of my greatest inspirations... even though she did fall off the wagon and struggled to get back on, to me that just shows she's human... It happens for many different reasons. Not necessarily because she didnt' follow the plan by the book.

I am so happy to be on this board that takes a tough stance on doing Atkins by the book, the right way.

Thank you to the admins, moderators, and all those who support that tough stance.

Just because someone isn't a DANDR Natsi doesn't mean that they don't follow the book. Nor does it mean that they can't/shouldn't take what they've learned & modify it in order to make this WOE work for them...

We're always saying that we need to find what works for us right?... If counting calories along with carbs is what makes the pounds drop then why should we be attacked for that? Because a newbie might read it and might try to count calories too??? God forbid! lol... I know what the reasoning will be behind this but I think we forget that people are born with a mind of their own. Aren't we supposed to make this WOE work for us so that we can stick with it for the long haul... to make it a life style change. We can't expect the rules to work for each and every single one of us word for word... that's why we sometimes have to modify... does this mean these people shouldn't be accepted here? Does this mean that they shouldn't have a voice to share their personal expierance? Of course not! And this is an Atkins diet support group... Instead of having a heart attack if someone does things differently then you maybe we can try to learn from them.

That person who's counting calories or having the occasional cheat can still be "doing Atkins", they've just found what works for them, "modified" if you will. If an occasional cheat is planned then why should they be attacked for that? The book is a guildine, a referance. Not a bible.

[Desertthorn]

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Cleo is one of my heroine's and I adore her, but don't miss her cause we still talk all the time. She is a brilliant, beautiful lady and I am so glad we still have her posts around.

BUT LOOK AT YOU. Your going to be added to my list of Heroines. Your absolutely skinny. OMG, I am so impressed, 97 pounds. You look great.

Barbe, maybe I was just hopeing that thats what we decided. I kinna got lost about foot fetish time.

[spirittalker]

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I have read through this post a bit...I never knew cleo left. How sad She was one of my bigest inspiration. What I have to say about strictly following DANDR is this. Every time i have tried to modify atkins to "fit" my life, i end up failing. When I followed the rules and did it by the book I succeeded. Only when I ignored the advise of the board and the book did I fail.

[CroweKitty]

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Long time reader/lurker...first time poster.

Having been lowcarbing since 2003, and reading many on-line boards, I've seen the same thing again and again. People who are saying they are doing Atkins constantly "tweak" it, or modify it, or plan cheats (and they ARE cheats), and fail to lose weight, and then they blame Atkins and are never heard from again. Or they come back years later, several pounds heavier and try again (hopefully not to repeat their errors). If I, or anyone else, tries to make them see it as a lifetime, vice a diet, and that the rules are there for a reason, we are called "nazis?" I believe the purpose of this board is to advocate the Atkins nutritional approach. If someone wants to pursue other forms of low carb, there are other places.

I am as (or more) human as the rest of the world, and I failed the first time I tried Atkins, because I didn't believe it was a WOL. Now I'm losing weight and getting healthier faster than I did the first time because I'm following the rules as stated in the book. Simple. I wish I had listened to the sages telling me their experiences with Atkins so I could have learned from their mistakes and successes.

Sure, people can lose weight on other plans, and they do, but only because they stick to those plans and rules. Tweaking, modifying and planning cheats is a slippery slope, and too many people never bounce back from that slide.

Individuals are entitled to do what they want, no one can make you change your mind (and I'm not going to lose sleep over it). But, on this board, I'm entitled to give my experiences in the hope that you will learn from them, and maybe (just maybe) reach your goal for weight loss and health. You (collectively) are not entitled to attack me or anyone else personally because you don't like my statements in support of Atkins. THAT is the definition of RUDE.

[djfmf]

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Just because someone isn't a DANDR Natsi doesn't mean that they don't follow the book. Nor does it mean that they can't/shouldn't take what they've learned & modify it in order to make this WOE work for them...

We're always saying that we need to find what works for us right?... If counting calories along with carbs is what makes the pounds drop then why should we be attacked for that? Because a newbie might read it and might try to count calories too??? God forbid! lol... I know what the reasoning will be behind this but I think we forget that people are born with a mind of their own. Aren't we supposed to make this WOE work for us so that we can stick with it for the long haul... to make it a life style change. We can't expect the rules to work for each and every single one of us word for word... that's why we sometimes have to modify... does this mean these people shouldn't be accepted here? Does this mean that they shouldn't have a voice to share their personal expierance? Of course not! And this is an Atkins diet support group... Instead of having a heart attack if someone does things differently then you maybe we can try to learn from them.

That person who's counting calories or having the occasional cheat can still be "doing Atkins", they've just found what works for them, "modified" if you will. If an occasional cheat is planned then why should they be attacked for that? The book is a guildine, a referance. Not a bible.

i really liked what you said in your post but i highlighted a few words in bold that i felt actually pertained to what i was doing with my life. overall this atkins lifestyle is going to work differently from person to person and some may have to tweak it here and there just to make it work or to "stay sane". i've been tweaking mine constantly and i feel much better now than when i used to have my "binge cheat days". this board still offers great advice and inspiration that i look at often.

[KittyMomma]

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Well I'll throw my two cents in..

I've contemplated leaving this board several times in the last 2 weeks.

This isn't church, jail, school, or work. I don't HAVE to do the diet the way anyone else wants and If i fail, I fail. If i don't, well, ok.

So many people here are so incredibly rude to people because they feel we shouldn't ask questions here IT'S IN THE BOOK. well EXCUSE us newbies for breathin', sometimes we're sitting here late at night and things just pop into our lil ol' noggins so we post it.

When i get off my butt and find the button, quite a few nasty people will be on my iggy list. There are so many POSTIVE HELPFUL KIND people here, who needs the hardbutt rude ones.

There have been many posts in hear praising the BIBLETHUMPING atkineers.
This is my vote :


People always wanna be better than someone else. There's a definite STINK of elitism going on in this board.

Rant OVER.

[CroweKitty]

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Well I'll throw my two cents in..

I've contemplated leaving this board several times in the last 2 weeks.

This isn't church, jail, school, or work. I don't HAVE to do the diet the way anyone else wants and If i fail, I fail. If i don't, well, ok.

So many people here are so incredibly rude to people because they feel we shouldn't ask questions here IT'S IN THE BOOK. well EXCUSE us newbies for breathin', sometimes we're sitting here late at night and things just pop into our lil ol' noggins so we post it.

When i get off my butt and find the button, quite a few nasty people will be on my iggy list. There are so many POSTIVE HELPFUL KIND people here, who needs the hardbutt rude ones.

There have been many posts in hear praising the BIBLETHUMPING atkineers.
This is my vote :


People always wanna be better than someone else. There's a definite STINK of elitism going on in this board.

Rant OVER.

Kitty, I don't understand your anger??? No one told you that you couldn't or shouldn't ask questions. And why do you assume that someone always wants to be better than you. Or that it is elitism or rude to try to help others. (I believe responses like the above are rude.)

People talk on this board to share experiences and try to help each other lose weight and gain health. Many of us have a great deal of experience and want to help others. Atkins is a PROVEN method, and a good one. I don't understand why you think it's so wrong to say to you "hey, I've done it the Atkins way and it worked." Hmmm.

[Heidi3]

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these are the same things that have been coming up over and over again .while some people may think it is a loop that serves no purpose ...I think there are words here people need to listen to and that is why it keeps rebounding back to the same subject....so LISTEN you guys ...there are more people here now and more opinions

....I am a total advocate of Atkins and agree that by the book is the way to go ...like Spirittalker if I modify I end up in trouble ...

the hard on ideas...may need a little reconsideration at some point I think ...especially in the way it is approached ...people live and learn and if they screw up it is on them ...it is not our responsiblity to do anything other than answer questions based on our experience ....period ..

"read the book" has been over done imho!!! (and I am one who has used it and am going to stop right now)

[Heidi3]

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oh I have to say one thing my comment above was not meant to be a Cleo comment ..what my point was ...that this thread was bumped to support the "tough stance" the admins and mods take and the person who started it is not longer here due to whatever reasons ...who really knows......it just seemed ironic to me that this was the example of a thread that was about being tough when you consider the author is all ...

maybe it is just me seeing this irony?

[2big4mysize]

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As to why Cleo left ADBB many of y'all are making assumptions without the facts to back them up.
and learning what your physical hunger feels like, what it being satisfied feels like and to feed only physical hunger is why cal counting will not keep a person a goalie or even a loser for long is what the early phases of Atkins are all about practicing that hunger feeding day in and day out so you know just how little food you really need. You can't possible be feeding only your hunger if you have predetermined that you will only eat X cals for a day even if you are eating in perfect Atkins ratios and counting those carbs. And Cal counting will not in the long run keep emotional eaters in check either or none of the emotional overeaters would be overeaters.

Not reading the book is like operating any piece of equipment or putting together something without reading the directions and/or owners manual. you can do it and make it run using trial and error but when you get to a point it dosen't function you haven't got a clue why or how to fix it.

As to newbies sitting here later night and asking instead of reading their books how do you know the person answering your topic even knows the correct answer to give you? I can't tell you how long it took to track down all the folk who read the Splenda stalls post and were passing it on and on just cause they had read it in a topic. there are many already answered topics in the FAQs and in the stickies that a newbie could read here late at night to find the correct info for themselves so they can learn to be Atkineers if they don't want to read the book.