Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

[Heidi3]

Re: Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

Humor is good medicine Cleo and you found more in that comment than intended! LOL ...I was tossing humor right back in your lap!

Megs your posting that link here was very prudent ...thanks for doing that ....

[Heidi3]

Re: Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

And again, I think it goes to eating issues developed before starting Atkins or any weight loss diet. If in spite of the appetite suppression of ketosis, you still 'need' to eat 5 eggs and 1/2 pound of bacon to feel "satisfied" with your meal, you really MUST re-evaluate/acknowledge your unhealthy over-eating issues. Until you resolve your over-eating issues, you will never be wholly successful on any weight loss plan because you will be one of those people who read "eat liberally" and interpret that as "Cool! I can gorge myself on an entire 5 pound pot roast and still lose weight!"[/QUOTE]


EXACTLY!!!!! and I am still never going to count a calorie and I am still going to stay this weight for ever ...because moderation is the key ....if you want to count calories ..count them but imho it defeats the purpose of this entire plan....they may matter yes..but by avoiding obsession and dealing with underlying problems..you will succeed...

[Perry]

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[BlueSkies]

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Not meant to be personal. My post to that link is for everyone and anyone reading this thread who has probelms controlling their appetite or know their level of satiety in spite of the ketotic appetite suppression. There's a reason why ketosis isn't helping 100% and that reason is most likely due to the tendency to compulsively overeating.

thanks for clarifying - without placing that post in context it seemed rather, well, mean.

[cleochatra]

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I agree, Blue Skies.

Heidi-- I didn't want anyone to think I was taking this thread with the kind of seriousness that meant no humor was allowed. As the OP of the thread, it's important to even see the over-seriousness of it and say, "You know, sometimes it's just pretty funny".

Perry cracks me up.

I think the thread has pretty much run its course. I think the fact that it's being drawn off-topic testifies to this.

Really, in the end, calorie counting should be looked at as a viable tool.

Not a necessary one, but a viable one.

[not2late]

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Chapter 11 DANDR 2002, FAQ section:

Although there is no need to count calories, they do matter. Gaining weight results from taking in more calories than you expend through exercise, thermogenesis (the body's own heat production) and other metabolic functions. Research has shown that on a controlled carbohydrate program, more calories are burned than on a low-fat/high carbohydrate program, so there is a certain metabolic advantage to the controlled carbohydrate approach. But understand that this does not give you a license to gorge.

I don't see one sentence in that paragraph straight from the book that says Dr. Atkins said calories don't matter and you can eat as much as you want.

So again, the purpose of this thread is what? To show that Dr. Atkins was wrong when he wrote you don't have to count calories because calories do matter?

[2big4mysize]

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2big,

i am wondering what you are trying to accomplish in this thread - wouldn't you agree that using additional tools that do not contradict the plan is beneficial? ratios are beneficial, aren't they? i understand that, for you, calorie counting is not necessary, and that's fantastic. but if some find it is helpful, or necessary, is there really harm there? i'm sure you are trying to help here, but the calorie counters have found what works for them, and you have found what works for you, and it's all sunshine and lollipops.

Actually Blueskies they haven't found what works for them consistantly to get them to goal and keep them there and that is why relying on an artificial braking system is the wrong thing to tell folk doing Atkins to use. You can use the foot brake or the emergency brake in a car to stop every time but nobody here would tell anyone to use the emergency brake every day to stop the car every time. That is what telling folk to cal count to say inside the amount of fuel they consume every day is. We need to learn to listen to our bodies not an arbitrary number picked from who knows where that doesn't take into account your physiology and your actual fuel burning for the day.

[Heidi3]

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So again, the purpose of this thread is what? To show that Dr. Atkins was wrong when he wrote you don't have to count calories because calories do matter?....


by avoiding obsession, eat in moderation and dealing with underlying problems..you will succeed...

[cleochatra]

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A person can listen to one's body and still bring in too many calories.

There's nothing wrong with keeping a caloric count and making certain choices based on caloric intake.

An example: I could eat an egg which would be very filling...or I could eat 4 pieces of bacon. Which would be more potentially detrimental to my waistline? The 4 pieces of bacon. Why? At almost 1/4 the calories, the egg would have been the healthier choice for those trying to also keep caloric count under consideration.

Again, it's a tool. It's data.

Two foods. Same filling qualities, but one packs more of a punch.

It's all about choices, when it comes down to it.

[2big4mysize]

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off topic? if somebody has to count cals to not overeat as you have posted many times Cleo then overeating is very relavant to this topic. Thanks for the post Megs

[Heidi3]

Re: Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

Heidi-- I didn't want anyone to think I was taking this thread with the kind of seriousness that meant no humor was allowed. As the OP of the thread, it's important to even see the over-seriousness of it and say, "You know, sometimes it's just pretty funny".


Cleo I am not sure what you are saying ..but ok ...

[2big4mysize]

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A person can listen to one's body and still bring in too many calories.

There's nothing wrong with keeping a caloric count and making certain choices based on caloric intake.

An example: I could eat an egg which would be very filling...or I could eat 4 pieces of bacon. Which would be more potentially detrimental to my waistline? The 4 pieces of bacon. Why? At almost 1/4 the calories, the egg would have been the healthier choice for those trying to also keep caloric count under consideration.

Again, it's a tool. It's data.

Two foods. Same filling qualities, but one packs more of a punch.

It's all about choices, when it comes down to it.

Since you hace used this example before lets focus on just it
one egg from our carton has 80 cals 5 grams of fat and 7 grams of protein and we know from fitday about .6 carbs
56% fat
and 45% protein

Bacon from my package 4 slices ( I have Kroger private slection no sugar) 120 cals 8 grams of fat and 8 grams of protein no carbs
66% fats and 34% proteins

so who had the better Atkins meal? who has protein being turned to sugars in their liver cause they low fatted the meal? who has ketosis humming along cause they had the high fat meal?

[cleochatra]

Re: Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

Calorie counting is a tool. It doesn't have to be used, but it is by quite a few of us. It's one of those things we can agree to disagree on.



Thanks for making my point, 2big!

[not2late]

Re: Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

Purpose of that overeating link? If you are still 'need' to eat large amounts of food to feel "satisfied" in spite of having little to no appetite due to ketosis, something's up most likely up with your eating habits.

Anyhow folks, someone dropped 12 inches of snow on my lawn, driveway and walk last night. And I have to shovel it now. Bye.

[Bren]

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WOW.........this thread.

I have tried to read it and feel that it is a vicious circle.

I will chime in here with one thing.

WELCOME TO ATKINS DIET BULLETIN BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read your book!

In other low carb diets they do teach calories. NOT HERE! We are an Atkins, by the book bulletin board where we follow the Atkins approach to eating.

The science behind Atkins has been explained by 2big and Megs.

In the book (page 30) Dr. Atkins states........ATKINS IS NOT ABOUT COUNTING CALORIES.

Atkins fallacy #2 ........The Atkins Nutritional Approach is only effective for weight loss because calories are restricted. (page 96)

"I am used to counting calories. How many am I allowed during induction?" THERE IS NO NEED TO COUNT CALORIES. THE ATKINS NUTRITIONAL APPROACH COUNTS GRAMS OF CARBOHYDRATES INSTEAD OF CALORIES. page 143. Where if you read he goes on to explain that a low carb diet burns more calories then a low calorie/fat high carb diet.

I think the most important thing to realize here that we are an ATKINS board. Where we help others doing the Atkins approach.

and as Megs pointed out I think Brian's signature says it best.