Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

[wannabethintoo]

Re: Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

There's nothing wrong with people using all the tools they have available to them. Caloric intake is but one of those available tools.

I agree. Nothing wrong with using all the tools in the shed...not just the nice, new shiny ones.

[2big4mysize]

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SO you "over ate" your fats and didn't get appetite suppression even deeper? wow that is strange. the deeper supression of appetite causee by that high fat contnet should have made your next meal one of those 6 hr things. allowing your to average the high fat tuna with the smal low carb snack to have a lower cal day without even knowing it was one.

[womanpraised]

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I don't think any of us are disagreeing. I do believe that people should consider that while there is still a ketogenic advantage to liploysis, acknowldgement of the importance of calories doesn't get thrown out the window with the high-carb treats.

I would agree, that it doesnt appear to be an arguement, everyone is looking at a quarter. SOme see the head, some see the tail, but it spends the same.

If you are doing Atkins and not counting calories, the natural ketogenic affect will, in fact, be restricting your intakes. Additionally, your body is running better because the quality of whole foods, met/veggies/eggs/low index fruits, is so much higher than processed grain products, sugars, high index fruits and frankenfood.

I dont hear any calorie counters saying, well, I had a donut, but am under my calorie count and thus it is okay. THey are watching the ratios, the type and quality of food, AND know how many calories they are taking in. I dont hear anyone saying that they are hungry, but have to stay under their calorie limit. EVEN RESTRICITING CALORIES to 1200 a day, I had a hard time getting to that some days, because my right ratios of fat.protein.carbs was making hard to put anything else in my mouth.

The same way I dont hear any who are opposed to counting calories saying eat whatever you want, as much as you want, as long as no pasta passes your lips, the fat will flee your hips. Semantics.

I dont recall DANDR saying to eat even if you are stuffed, to prove that calories dont count. I do recall it sayign that this was the hidden beauty of Atkins, that is restricted calories naturally, so we DIDNT HAVE TO worry about them. THe ratios would do it for us.

I know when I over eat my bacon and butter, adn I do both, occasionally, it is contributing to the stall I am in. I could (and have, ashamedly) eat butter with a spoon. So I must be aware of it.

It seems to be similar to folks exercising. I write down everything I do, each exercise, weight, set, and rep. I want to know how many laps I swam, and what stroke I was using and how long it took me to do it. I want to know how many calories I burned each time.

Someone else might go to the gym, swim an hour, lift the same amount of time, reps, etc... use a weight that is challenging, and not have to write it down. Same exercise, same benefit, different personality, different background, different method.

This seems to be another debate over whether blue is royal or navy.

[womanpraised]

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SO you "over ate" your fats and didn't get appetite suppression even deeper? wow that is strange. the deeper supression of appetite causee by that high fat contnet should have made your next meal one of those 6 hr things. allowing your to average the high fat tuna with the smal low carb snack to have a lower cal day without even knowing it was one.

This doesnt surprise me. As I said before, I can eat a half pound of bacon, by myself, no problem. I could eat butter straight, no problem. ANd after either, sit down in an hour or two and eat again. I dont know if my natural system is fried by years of abuse and neglect of it, and it will work again, or if for some, it just isnt there, maybe speakign to genetic predisposers of obesity, but I knwo that is sometimes the way it is for me.

[wannabethintoo]

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This doesnt surprise me. As I said before, I can eat a half pound of bacon, by myself, no problem. I could eat butter straight, no problem. ANd after either, sit down in an hour or two and eat again. I dont know if my natural system is fried by years of abuse and neglect of it, and it will work again, or if for some, it just isnt there, maybe speakign to genetic predisposers of obesity, but I knwo that is sometimes the way it is for me.

And I think it's that way for a lot of people.

[not2late]

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What I learned from my over-eating habits was that being "satisfied" for me was actually feeling the weight of the food in my stomach. If I didn't feel that heaviness, then I wasn't "satisfied" and I would eat more until I felt that weight. So, even with the appetite suppression, I would still feel "unsatisfied" because I didn't feel "full"/"heavy".

That's why that appetite scale would have been useful to me in the beginning because it was hard to train my brain that my appetite could be satisfied without feeling a lump in my stomach.

[cleochatra]

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Originally Posted by womanpraised
This doesnt surprise me. As I said before, I can eat a half pound of bacon, by myself, no problem. I could eat butter straight, no problem. ANd after either, sit down in an hour or two and eat again. I dont know if my natural system is fried by years of abuse and neglect of it, and it will work again, or if for some, it just isnt there, maybe speakign to genetic predisposers of obesity, but I knwo that is sometimes the way it is for me.


And I think it's that way for a lot of people.

I agree! It is easy to overeat things like bacon without realizing what's happening. Bacon, in some ways, is even more 'dangerous' than mayonnaise when we're talking about a definite need for certain portion controls. Again, calories can help here.

As wanna says, use those tools! They're tried-and-trues, but that doesn't make them outdated!

{{{megs}}} You make great points!

[kellygirl2]

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Yes, Yes, Yes. Calories do matter. The only difference is that when eating with Atkins, I do not feel hungry, which is amazing. I eat about 1500-2000 kcals daily. Much less than before.

Cleo, so, so, glad you are back, missed your humor and point of view!!

[wannabethintoo]

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Yes, it is very easy to over eat bacon without even realizing it...it's so small once it's all cooked up but very high in calories.

[womanpraised]

Re: Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

What I learned from my over-eating habits was that being "satisfied" for me was actually feeling the weight of the food in my stomach. If I didn't feel that heaviness, then I wasn't "satisfied" and I would eat more until I felt that weight. So, even with the appetite suppression, I would still feel "unsatisfied" because I didn't feel "full"/"heavy".

This is me! This is a light bulb moment for me - I just realizd that is what "full" is for me... when I can FEEL my stomach get heavy and hard...


A MILLION HUGS... THANK YOU!

[2big4mysize]

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it is fine as woman praised said to log and know what you did in the gym with your eating.that isn't the point I'm trying to get across. Dont say today I can have X cals for the and I will have A cals for breackfast and B cals for lunch C cals for dinner and 3xDcals for snacks.that is the don't cont cals mentality Atkins successes need to bust!

As Megs said feeling fullness in your belly isn't feeding your hunger and every one of us could sit down in an hour after eating and eat again. The point it to learn to listen to that hunger and only feed it. don't sit and eat cause you can, eat cause you need to or you will be battling and sliding down that slippery slope of weight control Jo talked about forever.
And if using those old tools keeps you from learning your hunger they they are useless and should be discarded like training wheels on a bike. sure you could use them forever and never fall but you will never learn to balance your bike for yourself when riding the hard parts like the turns and stuff. So learn your hunger and don't be afraid to over eat a few times learning it cause it is what will keep you a life time goalie.

Just think all the old diets you were on. With the exception of maybe slimfast you didn't stop eating the foods when you went off them you stopped counting calories! Weight watchers allows you to have any food just tells you your limit of foods. when you go off it what do you do? you ignore the count and just eat till you are satisfied of the fod you just had. That is why calorie counting Atkins will not keep your weight off. Learn to respond only to hunger and stop when hunger is satisfied and you will have a WOL you can stick with.

[cleochatra]

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{{{kelly}}} I am so glad to see you! You are doing so marvellously, too! Way to go, girl!

2big-- I don't think we disagree. I'm only stating that counting calories doesn't make Atkins less effective.

I was just blessed by a friend who said she has recently started counting calories on Atkins and has broken a stall. It works for so many people!

[2big4mysize]

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if counting cals broke her stall then she was over eating her Atkins pure and simple. I am always amazed at the amount of food folk post they have in a typical menu. like 3 eggs, 3-4 bacon, 1-2 ounces of cheese, butter in the eggs and that is all ofr just breackdfast and they are not new to Atkins but in ketosis for weeks. yes it looks atkins fine except foe the missing veggies but if you ask them if they needed all that food to satisfy there hunger the reply is I'll try having less tomorrow.

Hey Womanpraized if you eat salted butter by the spoon try unsalted and you will stop and visversa changing the flavore will change the appeal to your taste buds.

Yep kellygirl that is what Atkins is about natural suppression of apetite so you eat less cause you aren't hungry.

[wannabethintoo]

Re: Calories still matter, even on a low-carb plan

if counting cals broke her stall then she was over eating her Atkins pure and simple. I am always amazed at the amount of food folk post they have in a typical menu. like 3 eggs, 3-4 bacon, 1-2 ounces of cheese, butter in the eggs and that is all ofr just breackdfast and they are not new to Atkins but in ketosis for weeks. yes it looks atkins fine except foe the missing veggies but if you ask them if they needed all that food to satisfy there hunger the reply is I'll try having less tomorrow.

Hey Womanpraized if you eat salted butter by the spoon try unsalted and you will stop and visversa changing the flavore will change the appeal to your taste buds.

Yep kellygirl that is what Atkins is about natural suppression of apetite so you eat less cause you aren't hungry.

Ok, I've mentioned this before 2big but you never specifically replied.

Don't you think this concept of only eating until the hunger is gone is something that you learn over time? Don't you think that people new to Atkins would benefit from keeping track of their calories until they've learnt to listen to their bodies and stop eating when they are no longer hungry?

[kellygirl2]

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I think this discussion is so key!!! Hunger vs want to have is a big choice. I am not "hungry" at all. I choose not to have what my friends, coworkers, clients, patients, family are able to eat. My metabolism is different. I have diabetes on both sides, obesity on both sides, hypertension on both sides. It stops with me!!