2008 Read The Book Challenge

[jimmie 48]

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got my reading done while biking so i am able to post.

Assigment week one continued:
3. Read chapter 10 and answer the following question. In relationship to doing Atkins, when are you suppose to start exercising ?
now! starting with induction. not 2 weeks later, not after you've lost xxx pounds. on page 115, Dr. Atkins writes "strongly urge you to start doing so now." i have seen this recently on the board of new members telling other new members that they don't need to exercise for the first 2 weeks. the book clearly 'urges' that we should get moving. it doesn't say we must run a marathon our first week or bike 20 miles the second week but it does say we need to start moving.
i can agree that that the first two days can be difficult while the body adjusts but the statement dr. atkins makes is included in the chapter names BEFORE YOU BEGIN. he even goes so far to say in chapter 22 that if you aren't exercising, you are not doing atkins. yes, i think you can have time off, days off but to deliberately not exercise day after day, week after week should re-examined.
we may disagree slightly on the beginning day of exercise but i think we would all agree that exercise is non negotiable.


4. Not actually stated but referrenced in chapter 10, what are the 3 particular points of the Atkins Triad aka: the "three legged stool"? Which of these 3 key points gives you the most 'problem' and why?
Atkins [woe], exercise and supplements. dr. atkins repeats this more than once throughout the book.
these days, supplements seem to be the problem for me. i just plain forget to take them. i'm also wondering if there are other supplements that i should be adding. i am at risk for taking any kind of hormone therapy and i've been having a hard time maintaining a weight i can be happy with.
please see the following post............ #72
the triad it's self is not mentioned in chapter 10 but the reference to woe + exercise + supplements is there. he also refers to them as the 'three legged stool". on page 54 of your book you will read of the 'triad'. it is stated there but referenced in chapter 10 and elsewhere, ie: chapter 22, the first paragraph.

5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say. What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?
i don't know how to make it any plainer that what the book states............
answer: page 129 "When you are unable to find appropriate food, can't take time for a meal or need a quick snack." i would venture to say that the majority of people [at ADBB] eat the convenience foods and in many many cases, the atkins bars and shakes just because they want a snack or they want to munch. it has nothing to do with being pressed for time or lack of proper food in the house. "need' is often mixed up with 'want'.
what experienced members of this board say: those who have tried the bars, shakes and other forms of convenience foods, these quick fix, convenience foods, are known stallers to SOME. use with caution, they are not on the allowable list of induction foods. if you plan, you most likely won't be 'unable to find appropriate food", nor be so rushed you "can't take time for a meal".

i will share that when i was cooking for the masses at church, i always got hungry at the busiest time and truely could not stop to prepare myself proper nutrition. i always had an atkins shake chilling in the frig so i could drink that between stirring pots, etc. we're talking one shake, once a week. it did not seem to stall me but that might because i was really expending alot of energy. recently, i've caved to buying some shakes and will admit that i have drank a few when i was not rushed or under the gun. i will say, it seemed to do me no harm except for the fact that it is a bad example to others. after putting these questions together, i realized i was not doing things properly and the shakes will remain on the pantry shelf until the time comes when i am pressed for time.

6. Concerning chapter 10, is there anything you are unclear of and need/want to discuss or any point you would like to make a statement about?
i liked the last KEY POINT of this chapter found on page 119, Practical and psychological preparation is also key to success on Atkins.
i am one of those atkins people who lowered the blood pressure from the 150/100 range to 102/68 at my
last oncologist checkup. i have changed my HDL from a low of 29 to a high of 77, well above the protective level.
as far as discussing or needing clarification, i will admit that i don't understand diabetes and the numbers. i never have. i do understand, however, that by doing atkins properly, better health for diabetics is achievable.
another point we probably should make is the reference made to who should not do the weight loss phases of atkins. i've read/listened to the first 10 chapters now and no less than 3 times, we are told people
with kidney disease, pregnant woman and nursting mothers should not do the weight loss phases of atkins.

[DLS]

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I was just reading your answer for #5 and I see you were on page 129. My book has page 129 in the 11th chapter so I only commented on what was presented in Chapter 10. Should we read ahead sometimes maybe to get a more concrete answer?




5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say. What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?
i don't know how to make it any plainer that what the book states............
answer: page 129 "When you are unable to find appropriate food, can't take time for a meal or need a quick snack." i would venture to say that the majority of people [at ADBB] eat the convenience foods and in many many cases, the atkins bars and shakes just because they want a snack or they want to munch. it has nothing to do with being pressed for time or lack of proper food in the house. "need' is often mixed up with 'want'.
what experienced members of this board say: those who have tried the bars, shakes and other forms of convenience foods, these quick fix, convenience foods, are known stallers to SOME. use with caution, they are not on the allowable list of induction foods. if you plan, you most likely won't be 'unable to find appropriate food", nor be so rushed you "can't take time for a meal".

[DLS]

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you still get a A+

no iron is because of the meat you are eating. basically, on induction, you will be getting plenty of iron. an overload of iron is not good. that's the 'rule of thumb' but in some cases i've seen members who need the iron. that's an issue to be taken up with doctors.
i'd be interested to know why you take chromium.

On page 305 in my book is says.......quote

" Chromium, which deserves the most attention, helps activate the uptake of insulin at its receiptor sites. It is best assimilated in the form of chromium polynicotinate. A spate of studies has shown that chromium will build muscle, decrease body fat and lower cholesterol levels. Basic #3 contains 300 mcg, whish is sufficient for most individiuals. Others may need up to 800 to 100 mcg per day. " end quote

I take 400 mcg a day.

It is recommended again on page 307 along with the basic #3 formula, essential oils, and L-carnitine (just started this one) and CoQ10.
I haven't tried the CoQ10 yet as it and L-carnitine are expensive to me.
My multi-vitamin also have these items as well as many others he suggests.

[jimmie 48]

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I was just reading your answer for #5 and I see you were on page 129. My book has page 129 in the 11th chapter so I only commented on what was presented in Chapter 10. Should we read ahead sometimes maybe to get a more concrete answer?

i could give you some out of this world answer, something to make me look really smart but the truth of the matter is that i need a secretary. i had to move some things around and change this question with the next one and well........... it just didn't get organized as well i wanted it to be.

you can by all means interject what you recall from other portions of the book and it would be helpful to have page numbers or quotes to back up any answer. not only will we use this now but what we write is being looked at by members now and will be used in searches later. the more info we can supply, the better it is.

[jimmie 48]

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On page 305 in my book is says.......quote

" Chromium, which deserves the most attention, helps activate the uptake of insulin at its receiptor sites. It is best assimilated in the form of chromium polynicotinate. A spate of studies has shown that chromium will build muscle, decrease body fat and lower cholesterol levels. Basic #3 contains 300 mcg, whish is sufficient for most individiuals. Others may need up to 800 to 100 mcg per day. " end quote

I take 400 mcg a day.

It is recommended again on page 307 along with the basic #3 formula, essential oils, and L-carnitine (just started this one) and CoQ10.
I haven't tried the CoQ10 yet as it and L-carnitine are expensive to me.
My multi-vitamin also have these items as well as many others he suggests.

these i could read and i thank you for quoting. i've come across chromium as something post menopausal, post hysterectomy, not being able to do hrt kind of women like me might be deficient in. i'm just in the first study of looking this stuff up and that's why i questioned.

[DLS]

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i could give you some out of this world answer, something to make me look really smart but the truth of the matter is that i need a secretary. i had to move some things around and change this question with the next one and well........... it just didn't get organized as well i wanted it to be.

you can by all means interject what you recall from other portions of the book and it would be helpful to have page numbers or quotes to back up any answer. not only will we use this now but what we write is being looked at by members now and will be used in searches later. the more info we can supply, the better it is.

LOL I hadn't thought of putting the page numbers up for my answers. Will remember that in the future. I am enjoying this study of the book. Thanks for hosting such a challenging challenge!

[jimmie 48]

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LOL I hadn't thought of putting the page numbers up for my answers. Will remember that in the future. I am enjoying this study of the book. Thanks for hosting such a challenging challenge!

i wish ya'll had a better organized leader, i really do. regardless of my haphazzardness, i am enjoying it. the anwers so far have really been interesting to read.

[gbidruglord]

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Assigment week one continued:
3. Read chapter 10 and answer the following question. In relationship to doing Atkins, when are you suppose to start exercising ?
Well, we all should have started exercising way before we did Atkins But I believe the finer point of it was 2 days after starting induction (gotta get over that induction flu)

4. Not actually stated but referrenced in chapter 10, what are the 3 particular points of the Atkins Triad aka: the "three legged stool"? Which of these 3 key points gives you the most 'problem' and why?
The main leg is the woe, then exercising and then the supplements. I feel that exercising has always been my downfall so that's why I've joined a few challenges on the board to keep me in line

5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say. What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?
We should be eating primarily unprocessed foods, but some controlled carb food products can come in handy when we are unable to find appropriate food, can't take time for a meal or need a quick snack. However we should always check the labels and carbohydrate contents.

Most of us on the board consider those frankenfoods that corporate Atkins are selling are nasty. I understand what a net carb is, but what I can't understand is how you can get 3 net carbs out of 18 grams of carbs, 3 grams of fiber and 2 grams of sugar alcohols. They are evil and should be avoided at all costs

6. Concerning chapter 10, is there anything you are unclear of and need/want to discuss or any point you would like to make a statement about?
The only thing that I wanted to mention is that it's soooo easy to do Atkins when you've got somebody else helping you in your own house. Like many of you know, my wife (Tink11302) has been helping with my woe just as I am with her (well, her more than me as she does the majority of the cooking in the house)

[tmn]

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3. Read chapter 10 and answer the following question. In relationship to doing Atkins, when are you suppose to start exercising?

Two days after beginning induction. The first time I did Atkins, I didn't work out for quite some time and still lost nicely. However, I've become a firm believer in working out for my health (although I lack in practice) and am planning on what I'm going to be doing here as I gear up again.


4. Not actually stated but referrenced in chapter 10, what are the 3 particular points of the Atkins Triad aka: the "three legged stool"? Which of these 3 key points gives you the most 'problem' and why?

The least of the three (nutrition, supplements, and exercising) is supplements, simply because I need to take at least 2 grams of calcium a day. So the rest happens to follow fairly well.

Food is next - I HAVE to plan my meals and snacks and am working on a weekly menu that will give me the balance and calories I need. Once that gets established, then I can add more for variety.

Exercise gives me the most problems, especially with a nasty left leg and knee. However, I now have equipment set up and ready to use here that will take the load off that leg and knee as well as a variety of weights, stretch bands, and exercise ball to use.

5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say. What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?

I don't quite recall just what he states about the controlled carb foods like the Atkins shakes and bars because past experience says, for me anyway, don't bother with them. My sister uses the drinks, but I start having asthma issues with many of the Frankenfoods. I liked only one of their bars but found it had slowed my weight loss because of the sugar alcohols in them. Most of those foods were awful and got thrown away. It seems to me that other ADBB folks also avoid those foods, calling them Frankenfoods, which I clearly agree with. Other than dairy products (unfortunately), the more whole and less processed the food, the better my body likes it.

6. Concerning chapter 10, is there anything you are unclear of and need/want to discuss or any point you would like to make a statement about?

As I read through the chapter, different things on the To Do list were added. Along with physical measurements, I'm adding blood pressure readings to monitor changes in that. Also, this Friday, I see my endocrinologist to see if the synthroid needs adjusting. I suspect it's still on the low side and will need to be increased. I'm also more determined to get the menu worked out and foods in the house that I need. Especially protein as certain muscle and joint problems I've been having are already getting better with more consistent protein being taken in. I really appreciate this chapter (and this challenge) because it's all helping me prepare and focus on doing this the right way again. I really want to get into the frame of mind I had when I first found this site last year - it all was clicking and working great. I want that again!

[Sherri]

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Assigment week one continued:
3. Read chapter 10 and answer the following question. In relationship to doing Atkins, when are you suppose to start exercising ?
As soon as you begin your Atkins plan! Even starting out light and working your way up, as long as your moving. Walking has always been my exercise of choice.
I remember the first time I got on my gazelle (glyder) I could only go 10 minutes. I kept at it and soon realized it was just as important to get into the routine of exercise as it is to do the exercise. I was soon getting my mile in each day.
4. Not actually stated but referrenced in chapter 10, what are the 3 particular points of the Atkins Triad aka: the "three legged stool"?
Atkins-Exercise-Supplements Without one or the other, you're not doing Atkins Properly.
Which of these 3 key points gives you the most 'problem' and why?
Exercise- My hips are shot! I have arthritis in both. Arthritis is genetic in my family, on my dads side. I have to keep moving to not get stoved up. I have to be careful to not over-due it. Othersise I won't be able to move at all. A mile walk every other day is about all I can handle. I like my floor exercises too. It's getting into the routine of exercise that is the most difficult for me. I need to be more consistant. My WOE and supplements are consistant. Just gotta work on the exercise still!
5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say. What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?
Dr.Atkins intended the bars and shakes to be used in the case of an emergency. They were not intended to be a convenience food and to be consumed every day. They certainly are not intended for Induction only if they have the ingrediants that are allowed for Induction. On page 129, " Convenience Foods" Dr. Atkins mentions that "it is important that you eat primarily unprocessed foods, some controlled carb food products can come in handy when you are unable to find appropriate food,can't take time for a meal,or need a quick snack".
1). Not all convenience foods are the same, so check lables and carbohydrate content. I can vouch for any product carrying the Atkins brand name!
2.) While any of these foods can make doing Atkins easier, don't overdo it. Remember, you must always follow the Rule of Induction.
I personally don't use the Atkins Shakes or Bars. As far as i'm concerned they're processed food and feed the sweet addiction that Atkineers should be steering away from. From one vice to another. Best to just stay away from the Frankenfoods. Fresh is best!
6. Concerning chapter 10, is there anything you are unclear of and need/want to discuss or any point you would like to make a statement about?
Just that I experienced what Dr. Atkins suggest to do on page 116 "Get your loved ones on your team". I'm greatful for my families support in my woe. They are very considerate and thoughtful. Making sure that mom is stocked with Atkin friendly foods, leaving the last salad for mom and waiting till mom goes to bed before they snack on their carb filled snack foods.
Support, concideration, and resprect from your loved ones is everything!
A coincident-
I wrote this last thursday on the 9th in the "Sending out some good vibes" thread. This assignment reminded me of it regarding the 3 legged stool.
Today my thoughts are with commitment. Are you commiting yourself to this lifestyle 100% ?(Atkins) Or are you 1/2 stepping and not taking full strides towards a healthier tomorrow?
Atkins is a three legged stool so to speak. There's diet, exercise and supplements. With one of those missing the stool doesn't stand. As long as your doing all three, you're standing strong.
Here's to doing Atkins 100% and standing strong.

[momtomany1]

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3. Read chapter 10 and answer the following question. In relationship to doing Atkins, when are you suppose to start exercising ?

You are not doing Atkins if you are not exercising! So once induction flu is past, get moving!

4. Not actually stated but referrenced in chapter 10, what are the 3 particular points of the Atkins Triad aka: the "three legged stool"? Which of these 3 key points gives you the most 'problem' and why?

Carb reduction, exercise, and supplements are the 3 essential aspects of Atkins. I believe in supplements, lately I am having trouble remembering them, which isn't good because when I don't remember mine I don't remember Hubby's and he gets a bit grouchy when I don't get his stuff in him! Going to work on that....


5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say. What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?

It is obvious that the doctor only meant these as an 'every now and then, and even then rare' sort of item. I have never bought an Atkins bar and only 1 or 2 shakes. Steak is better.... I also think they would taste too sweet. Anything sweet now tastes really sweet... guess I killed my sugar monster, and I want it to stay killed! and shakes and bars would not help with that.

6. Concerning chapter 10, is there anything you are unclear of and need/want to discuss or any point you would like to make a statement about?

Just that once a person is in a fat burning metabolism, I challenge them to not feel like exercising. I started cleaning like a mad woman!

[Velcrocat]

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ASSIGNMENTS:



Week One:
1. Considering the Phase you are doing, post the #1 reason you want to lose weight OR the reason you continue to do Atkins.
As a breast cancer survivor I need to do everything possible I can to prevent a recurrence, I also want to be able to move freeely without the accompanying pain which I am experiencing.Freedom of movement and health are my main goals.
2. Read ALL the TIPS and KEY POINTS in chapters 1 - 9. Post the TIPS and/or KEY POINTS from chapters 1 -9 that are most useful to you.
Part two to follow.

[Velcrocat]

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Part Two

ASSIGNMENTS:

Week One:
2. Read ALL the TIPS and KEY POINTS in chapters 1 - 9. Post the TIPS and/or KEY POINTS from chapters 1 -9 that are most useful to you.

Chapter 1: By doing Atkins you will control you weight, achieve good health and help prevent disease.

Chapter 2: When grocery shopping, stick to the aisles on the perimeters of the store. The centre aisles are where the junk food and processed food lurk.

Use a carbohydrate gram counter -- such as the one at the end of this book -- to count carbs.

Chapter 4: Don't ever go more than six hours without having a meal or protein rich snack.

Chapter 5: If you lower your carbohydrate intake you will lower your insulin levels as well as your triglycerides.

Chapter 6: When you dissolve fat, it breaksdown into glycerol andother fatty acids, which in turn break down into by-products called keytones. When this happens you are enjoying a state called ketosis.

Chapter 7: Only by doing Atkins can you lose weeight eating the same number of calories on which you used to gain weight.

Spread your carbohydrate intake throughout the day to avoid blood-sugar spikes.

Chapter 8: Keep a carbohydrate gram counter and a glycemic index on your refrigerator.

Eat whole vegetables instead of drinking juices.

Adding some fat and/or protein to a salad minimizes the impact of the carbs on your blood-sugar level.

Vegetables most dense in nutrients are lowest in sugar and should be your primary choices.

Chapter 9: Fact: Fatigue may occur during the first few days of doing Atkins, while the body adapts to the switch in metabolic pathways. It typically takes about three or four days for the body to convert from a sugar metabolism to a primarily fat metyabolism. Your body can store carbohydrates for only up to forty-eight hours, so you can be confident that your metabolic switch will occur, as long as you are doing Atkins properly.
After the transition, those people who were tired at first usually report high energy and clear thinking throughout the d ay. The explanation is simple: They have rebalanced their nutrition so that their blood sugar is stabilized. They avoid blood-sugar peaks and valleys throughout the day, putting an end to mood swings and periods of lethargy. And those people who consume a full vitanutrient program are much less likely to feel weak or tired even at the start of Atkins.

3. Read chapter 10 and answer the following question. In relationship to doing Atkins, when are you suppose to start exercising ?

As soon as you start Atkins you need to start some form of exercise.

4. Not actually stated but referrenced in chapter 10, what are the 3 particular points of the Atkins Triad aka: the "three legged stool"? Which of these 3 key points gives you the most 'problem' and why?

Exercise, having the right foods on hand, and getting family support.

Getting enough exercise is the hardest part for me because I walk everyday on my job. I am a server at a donut shop. I am not tempted by the foods there.

5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say. What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?

Conveniece Foods: Although it is important that you eat primarily unprocessed foods, some controlled carb food products can come in handy when you are unable to find appropriate food, can't take time for a meal or need a quick snack. As I mentioned earlier, more and more companies are crteating healthy food products that can be eaten during the Induction phase of Atkins, Just remember two things:
1: Not all convience food products are the same, so check labels and carbohydrate content. I can vouch for any product carrying the Atkins brand name!
2: While any of these foods can make doing Atkins easier, don't overdo it. Remember, you must alwats follow the Rules of Induction. (page 129)

6. Concerning chapter 10, is there anything you are unclear of and need/want to discuss or any point you would like to make a statement about?

Does the concentration of your medications increase as you lose weight? I understand the need to monitor bp meds and diabetes meds but what about thyroid meds?

[blueberrylady]

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3. Read chapter 10 and answer the following question. In relationship to doing Atkins, when are you suppose to start exercising ?
Right after starting induction. "If you're not exercising, I strongly urge you to start doing so now." Page 115.
4. Not actually stated but referrenced in chapter 10, what are the 3 particular points of the Atkins Triad aka: the "three legged stool"? Which of these 3 key points gives you the most 'problem' and why?
The 3 legs are diet, exercise and supplements. The hardest part for me is taking the vitamins because I've never liked taking pills of any kind, even aspirin for a headache. So I still struggle with this but I've learned that if I leave the supplements on the countertop at night when I take my sleep medicine (which doesn't interfer with weight loss), I'm more likely to take them in the morning simply because they are right there in front of me.
5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say. What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?
They are fine in a pinch but not for everyday use. I couldn't find an actual reference to the bars and shakes in Chapter 10 but personally, I don't like them and never use them.
6. Concerning chapter 10, is there anything you are unclear of and need/want to discuss or any point you would like to make a statement about?
The part I like best is under 'A Matter of Morale'. "Psychologically, have you made a firm commitment? Don't start something this important with the shallow notion of "Oh,well, I'll give it a whirl." At the least, you should have decided that you're going to commit two weeks of your life--without deviation or compromise--to doing Atkins. If you can commit yourself to that, I expect great things for you. By the end of two weeks, you'll be walking with new energy, getting out of bed win the morning with new zest and joyously anticipating your encounter with the bathroom scale. You'll be so impressed with how you look and feel, continuing with the program for life will be a foregone conclusion." Page 118

[jimmie 48]

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NO NEW ASSIGNMENTS TODAY! y'all did so great yesterday and were on the ball. if you did yesterday's assignment at warp speed, then you have today off. tomorrows might be a challenge so i'll just give you a little hint..... think menus