2008 Read The Book Challenge

[blueberrylady]

Re: 2008 Read The Book Challenge

Have read Chapter 14, (many, many times)! It's confusing and that's what tripped me up the first time I did Atkins so I stayed on induction for 3 months but it got to be too hard and I was afraid to move up, so I eventually fell off the wagon. The articles here on the board are what has gotten me through it this time.

[DLS]

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Finished.

TMN,
I made the transition from counting ALL carbs to counting net carbs THEN I entered OWL. Mainly because during the beginning of induction I didn't know what to count either. Then I just slowly progressed to counting net. At first I felt like I was eating WAY to many carbs. Now I am in OWL and enjoying the nut and berry rung.

Happy Monday all!

[denileigh]

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I am going to have to respectfully back out of this challenge. I just haven't had any time to read during the kidos football season & Girl Scouts kicking in to high gear again.

I want to be able to read it and thing about it as opposed to skim and give answers.

I will follow along and read though...I am learning alot! I LOVE the challenges on this board though!

You all are GREAT and SUCH an inspiration!

*hugs*

[momtomany1]

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Chapter read!

[jimmie 48]

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Week Two:
1. Read chapter 14. When you finish reading the chapter, post your assignment 'done' or 'finished'.

read it, done, finished.

now. lets see if we can clarify some of the issues that a couple of you asked about.

[jimmie 48]

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first, let me say that i am no where near the smartest of the members or mods. i think the OWL chapter is and can be
confusing and there should have been more, precise information included in the chapter.
having said that, i'll attempt to answer what was asked.

read chapter 14. I have a question though. If your CCLL is 25 can you still move up the rungs?

i would first say that if someone's CCLL is 25, they are VERY
resistant to losing weight. one of the things that would help this 25 CCLL person is to be active with exercise which is going to help raise that CCLL somewhat. as per the book

Remember, if you're going to stay slim and healthy , a significant increase in the amount of exercise-which i strongly recommend for everyone-is absolutely essential for those of you with high metabolic resistance.

to answer this as i understand it "a few people will be able to add back all these frood groups in OWL" meaning, the opposite is true.... many of us won't be able to add everything. however, if you are resistant and the CCLL is considered low, you could opt
eating, for example, a food, 5 grams of net carbs, from the Legume rung but i would pass eating from the dairy rung that day. on another day, you might choose carrots [from the starchy vegetables rung] but you might pass on eating cottage cheese.
if your CCLL is low, you would not be able to eat the higher rung foods each day. and i would do this only after increasing exercise and making sure i had a CCLL of 25.

[jimmie 48]

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Just finished Chapter 14. But something has always confused me about the way he states his carbs. In the chapter, he said increase the carbs by 5 carbs. Are these total carbs or net carbs? And just what are we counting? For instance (now that the topic is in question), for induction, are we trying to eat only 20 total carbs or 20 net carbs?

I've never been able to figure out if he's using "carbs" interchangably after explaining what net carbs are.

terry, when he metioned 'the carbs that count', we know he was referring to net carbs. we can read this back in chapter 8, The Complexities of Carbohydrates. any point after that, i assumed and have always believed that he was referring to net carbs whenever they were mentioned.

my problem is with the carb counter that was included in my book. i wish the net carbs were listed alongside the total count. i personally used the nutritional spreadsheet found on this site as it gives all the information i ever needed and never referred to the carb counter included with the book.

[tmn]

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terry, when he metioned 'the carbs that count', we know he was referring to net carbs. we can read this back in chapter 8, The Complexities of Carbohydrates. any point after that, i assumed and have always believed that he was referring to net carbs whenever they were mentioned.

my problem is with the carb counter that was included in my book. i wish the net carbs were listed alongside the total count. i personally used the nutritional spreadsheet found on this site as it gives all the information i ever needed and never referred to the carb counter included with the book.

So in a nutshell, when he says increase carbs on OWL, we're talking 5 *net* carbs, right? As well as 20 *net* carbs for induction.

[jimmie 48]

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So in a nutshell, when he says increase carbs on OWL, we're talking 5 *net* carbs, right? As well as 20 *net* carbs for induction.

yes.
for each rung, you will be adding 5 net carbs during OWL.

if, for instance, you ate nearly 20 net carbs during each day of induction, you would preceed into level/rung 1, more veggies, adding 5 more for a total of 25 per day. if you were only eating 15 net carbs per day during induction, you will still add the 5 for rung one but your total would be 20.

some members liked sticking to around 15, some at 10 but i wanted all i could get so i got as close to 20 net as possible.

dr. atkins did use the term "roughly" when he was talking about adding the 5 carbs. i don't think we should be all flustered if we
added 6 net veggie carbs one day or only 4 net veggie carbs the next on the first rung.

[tmn]

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yes.
for each rung, you will be adding 5 net carbs during OWL.

if, for instance, you ate nearly 20 net carbs during each day of induction, you would preceed into level/rung 1, more veggies, adding 5 more for a total of 25 per day. if you were only eating 15 net carbs per day during induction, you will still add the 5 for rung one but your total would be 20.

some members liked sticking to around 15, some at 10 but i wanted all i could get so i got as close to 20 net as possible.

dr. atkins did use the term "roughly" when he was talking about adding the 5 carbs. i don't think we should be all flustered if we
added 6 net veggie carbs one day or only 4 net veggie carbs the next on the first rung.

Kewl! Thanks, Jimmie. I'll go with net carbs from here on in.

P.S. Looks like your guy had a good day on the short track yesterday. Been a while since I've watched any NASCAR.

[CoolBlackChick]

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Week One:

1. Considering the Phase you are doing, post the #1 reason you want to lose weight OR the reason you continue to do Atkins.

I continue to stay on the Atkins because it works! I want to look as good as I did before the baby, she will be 1 year old in November and will be weaned soon, so I have NO excuse for wearing a 10/12 pant instead of my pre-prego size 8. I just down right feel more POWERFUL when I'm in better shape. I have more energy AND I'm happier because exercise is like an 'anti-depressant' for me.

2. Read ALL the TIPS and KEY POINTS in chapters 1 - 9. Post the TIPS and/or KEY POINTS from chapters 1 -9 that are most useful to you.

Chapter 1

Most obesity is the result of metabolic disturbances, not overconsumption of fat. Studies consistently show that sugar, refined white flour, and junk foods are bad for your health, your energy level, your mental state and your figure.

For years I tried the lowfat methods, all the while thinking there was something wrong with me because I was not losing weight.

Chapter 2

Use a carbohydrate gram counter to count carbs.

This is a convenient life saver!

Chapter 3

You will learn how to overcome challenges so you can : get right back on track if you occasionally "fall off" Atkins.

I am definitely not the Atkins Warrior Princess I use to be, but I am trying to find her in me again.

Chapter 4

Don't ever go more than six hours without having a meal or protein-rich snack.

Boy! I need to get better at this! One of the reasons I'm having struggling with consistent staying on is because I don't plan my meals and snacks throughout the day. I KNOW better than this!

Chapter 5

If you don't stabilize you blood sugar you will have difficulty losing weight.

This makes sense to me. I think most of us have experienced the blood sugar spikes. They are no fun.

Chapter 6

Atkins initiates ketosis by restricting carbohydrate intake to 20 grams per day.

This is what I have to get back to ... lowering my good carbs, eliminating the bad carbs.

Chapter 7

Count carbs, not calories.

This is definitely true and much easier than counting calories, especially when you only have to count to 20

Chapter 8

Keep a carbohydrate gram counter and a glycemic index on your refrigerator.

I need to use both more often and more consistently.

Chapter 9

However, when you follow a controlled carbohydrate eating plan, your body switches from burning carbohydrate to burning stored fat for energy, resulting in the loss of stored fat.

When I'm being faithful to Atkins, my body can tell that I'm using 'High Octane Premium' fuel as opposed to the 'cheap stuff'!

3. Read chapter 10 and answer the following question. In relationship to doing Atkins, when are you suppose to start exercising?

Before you begin the Atkins.

4. Not actually stated but referrenced in chapter 10, what are the 3 particular points of the Atkins Triad aka: the "three legged stool"?

Controlled carbohydrate nutritional approach, regular exercise, nutritional supplementaion.

Which of these 3 key points gives you the most 'problem' and why?

Regular exercise give me the most problems because I need to get back to SCHEDULING (ON PAPER) exercise into my day.

5. Concerning "Convenience Foods", particularly the Atkins bars and shakes, what does the book say?

They are ok in MODERATION.

What has been the experience for most ADBB members concerning "convenience foods"?

I have not thought about them in QUITE a while. (Thank you for this question!) They are not that tasty, but better than cheating.

6. Concerning chapter 10, is there anything you are unclear of and need/want to discuss or any point you would like to make a statement about?

I am sooo glad to be doing this challenge! It's really helping me to be accountable. I have made FAR too many excuses.

7. Read chapter 11. Post a sample INDUCTION menu for breakfast, lunch and dinner using the ACCEPTABLE FOODS and provide the carb count. Do not use the sample in the the book and be as specific as you can. For example, state 1/2 cups, whole cups, ounces, etc. These can be actual menus that you have used or made up menus. Counting all the carbs or just net carbs, either way works for this assignment.

Breakfast

2 eggs [1.2 carbs]
1 medium tomato sliced [3.8 carbs]
1 cup decaffeinated coffee [0 carbs]
2 tbsp cream [1.6 carbs]
2 packets Splenda [2 carbs]

Lunch

1 cup lettuce [0.7 carbs]
1/2 cucumber [1.8 carbs]
1/4 onion [2 carbs]
2 tbsp shredded cheddar cheese [0.2 carbs]
1/2 cup tuna [0 carbs]
1 oz vegetable oil and vinegar dressing [0 carbs]
8 oz+ water [0 carbs]

Dinner

1 cup lettuce [0.7 carbs]
1/2 cucumber [1.8 carbs]
1/4 onion [2 carbs]
2 tbsp shredded cheddar cheese [0.2 carbs]
1 oz vegetable oil and vinegar dressing [0 carbs]
8 oz+ water [0 carbs]

Total net carbs: 18

8. Nitrates.... why did Dr. Atkins prefer us to use nitrate free bacon, ham, etc.?

Nitrates are know carcinogens.

9. Are there any other points or comments you would like to discuss concerning Induction?

In need to go back to it.

Week Two:

1. Read chapter 14. When you finish reading the chapter, post your assignment 'done' or 'finished'.

DONE

[jimmie 48]

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good morning challengers! your assignments for today are posted. post your answers like you've been doing all along.

some of these might seem overly easy but they are questions that we see over and over here on the board.

[FLdoodette]

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Morning, JimmieJo!

Week Two:

1. Read chapter 14. When you finish reading the chapter, post your assignment 'done' or 'finished'. Finished

2. What are some of the things that will influence your metabolic resistance? Numero Uno is exercise (or lack thereof) ... anyone with high metabolic resistance must step up their exercise level to be able to raise their Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing (CCLL) ... and that would be me Also, choosing foods that rank lower on the glycemic index (an avocado as opposed to say, a pear), so as not to spark a sudden jump in blood-sugar levels.

3. Review the CARBOHYDRATE LADDER. If you have already started adding levels [or rungs as they are commonly referred to] which level has been shown to cause the most problems for you and why? The Cheese Rung slowed things down, and the Seeds 'n Nuts Rung ground everything to a halt! (Even without the scale, I could tell ... my belly would pop out like one of those built-in turkey thermometers ... too many carbs: POP!) Through trial and error, I've found that I've got to keep the carb level at or below 25, and all from veggies, to keep the momentum going.

4. What is the carb count you are to add per level? Each week, add 5-gram increments (i.e. go from 20 to 25 grams carbs daily, the first week), working up the ladder through acceptable veggies; cheeses (fresh and more aged cheese); seeds 'n nuts; berries; low-carb alcoholic drinks; legumes; other fruits; starchy veggies; and finally, whole grains. But, as Dr. A pointed out: "Note that few people will be able to add back all these foods in OWL. Those on the second half of the list tend to rank higher on the glycemic index and are more commonly introduced in Pre-Maintenance."

[jimmie 48]

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hiya norah! good to see you got your assignment done early in the day.
here is my offering.

Week Two:
1. Read chapter 14. When you finish reading the chapter, post your assignment 'done' or 'finished'.
this part was done on monday

2. What are some of the things that will influence your metabolic resistance? "As I've mentioned before, metabolic resistance is influenced by age, gender, activity level, hormone issues, level of physical activity, prescription medications and other factors,..... " Ongoing Weight Loss: The Second Phase of Atkins, page 172

3. Review the CARBOHYDRATE LADDER. If you have already started adding levels [or rungs as they are commonly referred to] which level has been shown to cause the most problems for you and why?
as with alot of people, the addition of nuts and seeds was probably my hardest to control. it was common for me to count out the specific amount but when that gave way to eating from the bag, i found myself eating way to many. i also missed bread and that gave me some problem when i reached
the grain rung. i still do the low carb breads from time to time but really have to watch when it's in the house. it's not so much the bread itself but having 2 slices of bread does not afford me the ability to have other grains on the same day.
at one point, when i was maintaining rather well, i could have the 10 additional carbs that is spoken about in Pre-Maintenance, chapter 16. my CCLL seemed to be quite high then, around 80 to 90 net carbs. that does not seem to be the case now.

4. What is the carb count you are to add per level? "...roughly five grams of daily
carbohydrates, representing what I call one "level". as discussed earlier, if you have been doing 'the carbs that count' or net carbs, the additions should also be net carbs.
if you are eating at or about 20 carbs per day during induction, your added level one would take you to 25 daily carbs. if you are/were at or about 15 daily carbs during induction, your addition would take you to 20 carbs for the first level/rung.
i found fitday to be really useful while i was being spot on about adding the 5 grams. i knew once i ate a food on a particular rung, that was it for the day. i was keeping very close eye on this about a year ago and it worked very well.

[DLS]

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1. Read chapter 14. When you finish reading the chapter, post your assignment 'done' or 'finished'. Finished
2. What are some of the things that will influence your metabolic resistance? EXERCISE, age, hormones, meds. # to me is EXERCISE
3. Review the CARBOHYDRATE LADDER. If you have already started adding levels [or rungs as they are commonly referred to] which level has been shown to cause the most problems for you and why? I believe the dairy might be hard for me. I am having no trouble with the nuts/seeds rung. However, I am trying to stick with either or. I try not to have the "extra" dairy and nuts on the same day. I am still trying to stick to 25 carbs a day.

4. What is the carb count you are to add per level? Add 5 carbs per rung is my understanding. Stay there for a week or two then on to the next rung. I am taking it a bit slower than that though.