the skeptics yeast thread...for skeptics by skeptics

[Heidi3]

I am taking a pledge now to keep my opinions (and they are many) about candida and all the theories that tell us how it is the cause of everything from obesity to psychosis ....to myself ..I have read extensively on this subject and seen the testing and so called evidence it has never sit well with me as anything but another snake oil type theory...and it is NOT because I am a "western" nurse and not because I do not have an open mind ...I use holistic and alternative practices in all levels of my career and personal life....this one just seems to be a failure to convince me ..and a too good to be true solution....so there you have it ..I said it and now I am bowing out.....but still open if you have solid evidence and not just subjective info please let me know ....do not send me links to anything that is not ...evidence based but please send me some evidence and I would love to ponder it more....thanks!!!!....

The title was edited by nurselady so as not to mislead people into thinking this was in anyway a pro candida thread!

[MotherOfGizmo]

I am still out on this one. I read so much on it a while back on both sides of the fence. Its so hard to actually tell if what you are reading on the internet is based on facts or not so I never could draw a conclusion about it. I'd like to see some convincing evidence as well. :yes

[Heidi3]

Re: I promise

..and a too good to be true solution....




Kind of like the Atkins WOL, huh?


I'm not knocking your opinion and if it comes to pass that this yeast cleanse has done nothing but made the past 4 and a half weeks a waste of time, I will tip my hat to you. Until then, I have to hope this is something I can do to make myself feel better that doesn't involve time and money I don't have to spend on doctors visits and medications.

with all my heart I hope so too...sincerely .... :hug ...good luck and please let me know!!! .....I am just yeasted out!!!

[Heidi3]

I am still out on this one. I read so much on it a while back on both sides of the fence. Its so hard to actually tell if what you are reading on the internet is based on facts or not so I never could draw a conclusion about it. I'd like to see some convincing evidence as well. :yes

that is why I only use evidence based sources now ..they are not my favorites but crap is crap and I do not know enough or have the time to sort out what is what...there are good solid sites that have good solid info and crap sites that tell you colliodal silver will cure everything as well they look impressive and then screw you over by getting you to injest and sell a heavy metal as a cure all....so be careful as MOG says!!!....read a lot of stuff and ask a lot of questions ..we only get one body!!!

[2big4mysize]

you can go to your doc and have a stool sample test to see if you do have Candida and then treat it from there.

There are several folk on our board who were long time Atkineers like Missy90 and BeckySue who did the candida killing eating, the probiotics and antifungal stuff and it effected their weight loss. Missy was a very succesfull loser for over a yr and had a bout of yeast. BeckySue was a slower then molasses in January Atkineer who had been posting menus, upping water, exercising, supplement taking, blood tested long term 8,9 months worth when she switched to the candidad killing Atkins Kiss program with the probiotice and stuff and she turned into a race horse loser. You can look at her posts and see it was like a miricle for her. Granted she might have been insulin resistant and her body finally curing itself at the exact moment she made the switch but the odds on that are very minimal.

I think many folk are quick to blame their less then meeting their expectations Atkins program on an outside chance they have a medical reason cause then they don't have to look and see if maybe they aren't working their Atkins hard enough with their exercise or portion control. Now for those folk I think this is all smoke and mirrors cause the diet part of the cleanse is very strict Atkins and when they get back to that and away from those frankenfoods or unmeasured legal extras like too much cheese or an excessive amount of tuna or chicken salad their scales will move but for those who report their bloating clears up after a week on the cleanse and then they can successfully reintroduce the forbidden yeast cleanse foods there can be no other medical explaination.

[Dieselbud]

it is just far too coincidental for me, but like 2big said: "she might have been insulin resistant and her body finally curing itself at the exact moment she made the switch but the odds on that are very minimal"


I have had a white tongue all my life........ I have suffered HORRIBLY from *A* rash under my breast for years (one rash, one breast). Not just a weenie little rash, but a wet, oozing, painful rash that just made life miserable. I had suspected they were candida related, and the Doc gave me a perscrip antifungal cream that really only helped for they day. The Doc said if it doesn't go away in 2 weeks of using it daily, come back.......... it never went away. if I went swimming in a chlorinated pool, it got worse... I am thinking that the chlorine killed off whatever good stuff was there keeping it contained, but each time I went swimming the rash got bigger and worse. The WORST it ever got was when I did the Jenny Craig diet for 3 months, OMG that was SOOOOO BAD!!

I have been trying to treat this all wrong for years, so in effect I was killing/feeding them, only making them stronger. Since starting Atkins, my rash had diminished............. (it actually got worse 3rd-5th weeks of induction) but never really went away until now. I mean it is COMPLETELY GONE!!!! 2 weeks into the CAD, my tongue is now pink, it has NEVER been pink, and my rash is gone. I have also lost 4lbs in 10 days, and lost a ton of inches........before the CAD I lost 5lbs in 2 months!!! .

I felt the effects of Induction flu quite badly, and then again after 4.5 months of induction, I start the CAD and I felt it again!!! Not near as severe, but there was enough of them to make me feel that it was working. Keep in mind, I do not eat cheese or mushrooms, and have been off coffee for about 2 months now.. so the only thing I was dong differently was the OoO/AVC and probiotics, I didn't really have to eliminate much else. This is far too coincidental IMO, not to mention the mucousy diarreah I had on day 3 and 10 of the CAD (another sign of die off)


My step-dad has been diagnosed BY THE DOC with candida (just a week ago). He started the CAD a week ago, and he now has thrush in his mouth (just like a baby, the white film that he can actually scrape of his tongue and gums)... this, and the fact that 2 weeks ago my rash got bad for about 2 days and then completely disappeared (leaving a scar, that's how bad it was).. I am anxious to see if this is the same kind of thing he is going through, getting worse before it gets better. He went through a really bad induction flu as well a month ago when he started AWOL.

regardless of what people think or believe, if what I am doing is making these things go away, I don't knock it for anything

[SkinnySoon]

I'm a very strong believer in Candida causing a host of medical problems... many of which are considered diseases now. (IBS, Fibromyalgia, etc...) From personal experience, I've cleared up many of my own medical problems... and I've seen many of those around me who follow the CAD get relief from their symptoms as well.

If you don't like reading advertisements for products, then read the non-advertisement websites about candida. There are over 3 MILLION websites on candida that support the existance and reality of thise dietary problem that many are subject to. I know that not every one is an advertisement.... actually, many are personal success stories.

There have been tons of medical research on this topic.... but sadly, it's not widely promoted because it is the responsibility of the person to strictly change their diet themselves... and it cannot simply be cured in a pill, so the general population won't accept it as readily as low-carb dieters who have already dropped most of these foods out of their diet already. It's against everything that our society has created over the last 50 years with all the prepackaged, preserved, readymade junk that is rampant in our stores.

I'm sure BIG businesses doesn't want to hear about this WOE becoming popular, because they'de all go broke. Then again.... the health field would also be out of alot of money too because the people would be much healthier. Maybe it would free up enough money to spend on researching cures to other diseases.... lowering insurance costs.... etc...

Sorry... I could go on and on about this topic because I'm very passionate about candida cleansing diets and helping people get through them. This whole CAD diet is not something new... and not something that Dr. Atkins started. (Dr. Atkins is a strong believer in candida playing a large role in people's health and dieting success.) The concept has been around for several decades.... but it seems to get more and more publicity as people like Dr. Atkins bring it to the surface of people's minds.

If you don't believe in it, then I don't think it's right to post a topic trying to bash it when this forum was set up to support those who are looking for help with their candida problem. That's like posting on an Atkins forum and telling everyone that you don't believe in Atkins because of all the negative-hype you've read about it.

Just my $.02.

[Heidi3]

There was nothing in what I said that was a bash unless you consider someone expressing an opinion and opening a topic "bashing"...you do not always have to be in favor of a topic to want to talk about it..if you read all I said you would hear that I am open just not at all convinced

[Chynna]

I do understand where you are coming from, nurselady. I'm also a trained nurse and medical office assistant/doctor's assistant and sometimes it is hard to believe that a WOE can cure certain illnesses.

Since doing Atkins, I now know that this WOE can help rid insulin dependency in diabetics. I also live in Germany, where holistic/homeopathic treatment is greatly promoted and used. Alot of Germans also believe that changing your diet can help cure you of life-long ailments. I never believed it, until I saw it.

I'm proof that the CAD works. I stalled, started doing CAD and taking probiotics and supplements and am now losing again and I don't have the fatigue, bloating and moodiness that I had experienced when the candida was present.

I'm not just trying to sell you a bag of magical beans, but this is my experience with CAD. This is just one of those things where the skeptic has to experience it themselves to grasp the concept.

[Pebbbles]

Re: I promise

I am taking a pledge now to keep my opinions (and they are many) about candida and all the theories that tell us how it is the cause of everything from obesity to psychosis ....to myself ..I have read extensively on this subject and seen the testing and so called evidence it has never sit well with me as anything but another snake oil type theory...and it is NOT because I am a "western" nurse and not because I do not have an open mind ...I use holistic and alternative practices in all levels of my career and personal life....this one just seems to be a failure to convince me ..and a too good to be true solution....so there you have it ..I said it and now I am bowing out.....but still open if you have solid evidence and not just subjective info please let me know ....do not send me links to anything that is not ...evidence based but please send me some evidence and I would love to ponder it more....thanks!!!!....

Oh Nursey, I knew someone here had to have some common sense. Thank you for saying this...I completely and totally agree with you. All I can say is Ditto to everything you said, except I am a medical social worker and not a nurse. But I do know that our bodies were made efficiently, and I cannot believe that such a high percentage of people can have this drastic unbalance in their system. It just isn't LOGICAL!

I would like to see some scientific evidence that is written up in a legitimate medical journal....bring it on!!! I think that newbies have the right to know that there is no scientific proof that this Candida agenda has validity, so that they can make up their own minds. Amen

[Desertthorn]

Actually, I am glad that Nurselady posted this because this board is for all opinions and I really think we need to hear that some folks feel we are being fed a little while placebo.
Nurselady, could you retitle it something else so in the future others will know that this is about the other side of the yeast theory. Thanks

[Heidi3]

Actually, I am glad that Nurselady posted this because this board is for all opinions and I really think we need to hear that some folks feel we are being fed a little while placebo.
Nurselady, could you retitle it something else so in the future others will know that this is about the other side of the yeast theory. Thanks

sure I just changed it is that better?

[2big4mysize]

Every human has candida living in or on them.This is why Dr Atkins can say 90% have them and be correct. they are sort of like a saprophyte.the best description I saw of them is the "true home" of Candida is the little intestine mucous; localization can be considered a "beach house", coetaneous localization (presence of fungus spots when you are exposed to sun) can represent the "mountain house", or "Thrush" in mouth cavity, the "lake house". They didn't say what the nasal located ones living arrangements were.

in healthy bodies they present very little problems but when the immune systems efficiency reduces due to the presence of the endogenous and exogenous toxin, candida increase and that increase can cause dirrerent problems depending on what area of the body they occur in. Nobody disputes the skin rash type or the vaginal or even the penile infection so why this doubt about intestinal overgrowth?

[Pebbbles]

Every human has candida living in or on them.This is why Dr Atkins can say 90% have them and be correct. they are sort of like a saprophyte.the best description I saw of them is the "true home" of Candida is the little intestine mucous; localization can be considered a "beach house", coetaneous localization (presence of fungus spots when you are exposed to sun) can represent the "mountain house", or "Thrush" in mouth cavity, the "lake house". They didn't say what the nasal located ones living arrangements were.

in healthy bodies they present very little problems but when the immune systems efficiency reduces due to the presence of the endogenous and exogenous toxin, candida increase and that increase can cause dirrerent problems depending on what area of the body they occur in. Nobody disputes the skin rash type or the vaginal or even the penile infection so why this doubt about intestinal overgrowth?

I think because the thought is that SO MANY people have this supposed overgrowth. Our bodies are much too efficient to allow this to happen to so many people, unless you are ill and have a compromised immune system.

[2big4mysize]

Okay try to understand it in this light

if you take antibiotics you kill your healthy bacteria off too and get an overgrowht just like a vaginal yeast infection. Does a vaginal yeast infection clear itself up?? We have visible symptoms and discomfort so we run get an anti yeast medication for it

but intestinal ones are invisible with symptoms we can misinterprut as bad food or gas or who knows what. Those that don't eat yogurt or some probiotic will take a very long time to get the good bacteria levels back up to normal and in the meantime just accept the fact that what they now have is normal bowel condition for them or spend a fortune seeing docs because of their new bowel conditions.