Anyone doing the meat ........

[maysea]

and egg thing where you keep your carbs to an absolute minimum by just eating meat and eggs with a bit of mayonaise.
im starting it tommorow :icondance

[Pau]

No. What for? isn´t it dangerous? It has no yo-yo effect?

[Richt]

Re: Anyone doing the meat ........

and egg thing where you keep your carbs to an absolute minimum by just eating meat and eggs with a bit of mayonaise.
im starting it tommorow :icondance

:yikes Why are you doing it that way?

You do realise that isnt Atkins dont you?

[maysea]

No. What for? isn´t it dangerous? It has no yo-yo effect?

no its not dangerous it puts you into deep ketosis are bodys dont realy need carbs at all.

try it for 3 days its meant to realy boost the weight loss

[Pau]

no its not dangerous it puts you into deep ketosis are bodys dont realy need carbs at all.

Who says that? :nono :nono :nono

[spirittalker]

The body does need carbs and what you are talking about doing is dangerous.

[Richt]

Sorry Maysea, I am with Pau here.

Where have you got all of your information from?

Rich

[Pau]

Sorry Maysea, I am with Pau here.

Where have you got all of your information from?

Rich

HEY! do not apologize for being with me! :guns LOL!

[Betty]

I would like to know where that info came from as well. It is not true. It is dangerous to do, and the body does need carbs. We just need to eat the right kind of carbs.

As Rich said what you are suggesting is not Atkins, so please don't say you are doing Atkins if you do this.

However the most important thing is that you understand it is not healthy to do what you are talking about. I would urge you to go back and read DANDR. You do not have to be in deep ketosis in order to be burning fat.

[Richt]

Further to what Betty has said. -

What you are describing is the common misconception that everyone has (especially here in the UK). Everyone who doesnt understand atkins thinks that we just eat bacon and eggs.

I really think you should grab a copy of DANDR and read it before you start your potentially lethal / dangerous eating.

As you are in the UK, you can find DANDR (Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution) in most book shops at £7.99.

Please take a look at it, I would hate it for you to cause yourself harm.

Regards

Rich

[maysea]

i got this info from here

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=3

The purpose of the "experiment" is to show how 'real' ketosis feels ... no appetite, excellent weight loss. That the carbs are very, very low or 0 is key. This is what Dr. A was talking about in Induction! When we severely restrict carbs, our bodies (who DON'T want to use body fat for energy!), will go to the glycogen in our livers. When that's used up (3 days roughly), it's like a flood gate is opened and our bodies give up a lot of extra water ... that's the 3-7 pounds people lose in the first few days.


Some people have never experienced what I term 'real' ketosis with the strong appetite suppression (OK, nausea) and very rapid weight loss. This is a chance to see what it's like.
Nothing about the "experiment" can backfire. What you're doing is keeping carbs very, very low (or non existent). For people who have a difficult time losing, Dr. Atkins advised reducing carbs to 15 or 10 ... "or for especially difficult cases, 0 carbs".

From a health standpoint, you would be OK as long as you take supplements to compensate for the veggies/fruits you aren't eating ... ditto on straight Atkins or Stillman's.
Some define ketosis as when you're burning body fat by any means, as in lipolysis. That's not what happens during very low carb, aka
, Dr. Atkins original 1972 plan.

RULES FOR THE 3 DAY EXPERIMENT! READ THOROUGHLY!
Protein only (lean for best results)
Skip unnecessary fats like cheese and cream
Skip alcohol (yes, all forms!)
Skip junk protein like pepperoni and pork rinds
Drink diet beverages and plain coffee & tea as desired
Use artificial sweeteners as desired
No calorie counting
No cheating (it's 3 days!)
Eat a Centrum type vitamin each day


I'd also say to skip chicken wings if you are having a real slow weight loss (that's my suggestion as well as some other people's suggestions due to high sodium/high calorie content)

Eat to appetite. If you're hungry, eat. If you're not hungry, don't eat. No need to force yourself to eat when you're not hungry. Do not count the carbs in eggs, diet beverages, plain coffee or tea. Your carbs will pretty much be non-existent if you stick to these rules. Within three days, you should be in deep ketosis with a much suppressed appetite. Remember, after two days, if you have lost 3 to 5 lbs, then you were over on your carbs And you don't have to do 5 carbs or less. Kimmer NEVER said that. She just said to keep your carbs as low as possible, and as long as you are sticking to these rules, like I said before, your carbs should pretty much be non-existent

Thanks but i have got and read the books :icondance

[not2late]

Hi Maysea.

I posted this nugget of low carb history in another forum but I'll repost it here.

Low carb diets have been around a long time. They used to be called ketogenic diets, because the diets caused people to produce ketones.

Anyhow, in the early 20th century a US doctor from Boston Massachusetts named Elliott Joslin began putting his diabetic patients on a ketogenic diet. Diabetes is a disease in which the body cannot metabolize sugar (carbohydrate) efficiently or at all. So Dr. Josling figured that by restricting carbohydrates, diabetics wouldn't have a problem.

Dr. Joslin's low carb diet was 100 grams carbohydrate or less daily. If the diabetes was very severe, the carb level was reduced in order to better control the blood sugar.

So, why did Dr. Joslin pick 100 grams as his magic starting number? Because he observed that people began producing urine ketones when their carbs were restricted to 100 grams daily. So I'm not sure on what this person is basing their idea of "real" ketosis because "real" physiologic ketosis occurs at less than 100 grams based on Dr. Joslin's early research.

Dr. Atkins' writings support this as well. He picked 20 as a start point because 20 grams carbs daily was the level almost everyone would get into ketosis. But as the folks on OWL can tell you, they are still in ketosis at 40 or 60 or 80 net carbs daily.

Anyhow, what this person on that other board describes is a modified protein sparing fast. This is a diet used in weight loss centers in the US for extremely obese people AND it's only used while the person is in a hospital, which allows for constant monitoring of things like consciousness, blood sugar, electrolytes, death, etc. See, this modified protein sparing fast produces hypoglycemia, which has "mild" side effects like feeling faint or headaches, to "bad" side effects like coma and death.

By the way, this person is also VERY misinformed about the 1972 Atkins diet. It wasn't a no carb/high protein diet as that passage implies. Dr. Atkins has his dieters back then eating vegetables---the same vegetables found on the current diet's "salad vegetable list". He also had them eat high fat foods, like butter, cheese, fatty cuts of meat. In fact this endorsement of fatty foods is one of the reasons why the American Medical Association, the American Heart Association and countless other medical organizations regarded Dr. Atkins as a "dangerous man": fat was bad and anyone endorsing a high fat diet is bad.

I hope this cleared up some things for you and others reading this thread.

[2big4mysize]

Actually what you are doing is called the MEAT FAST and was NOT what Dr Atkins was talking about it is from thr STILLMAN protein plan ans as we all know from reading our DANDR Protein and fat use different hormones for fueling the body and they are mutually exclusive.

If you look in DANDR you will see Dr Atkins talking about a study done by some very famous Brits and they tested all carb diet all protein diet and all fat diet of the same amount of cals 1000 on patients and guess what the all fat diet lost the most weight not the all protein! When the cals were increased back to normal levels the fat eating folk continued to lose weight but the all carb folk didn't so go with the one that taught you what to do and follow Dr Atkins plan for the best safest lose.


If you want to have a deeper ketosis then you currently have on your Atkins all you have to do is slightly increasae your fat consumptoion abouve the 65% mark and lower your other foods slightly.


Dr Atkins ketosis is the burning of fats for fuel and when the final reation site is saturated at the 2 carbon atep our bodies repackage the excess 2 carbon molecules with a few other byproducts of the beta oxyidation of the fatty acids and creates Ketones for the transportation from that area of the body to another for fueling thus allowing the entire fat breakdown reation to continue releasing ATP molecules our body uses as the energy units. Isn't it a fantastic thing Dr Atkins used in his program to keep the fat burning going when the reaction sites ate jammed?

Now that protein for fuel is also jamming up the 2 carbon reation site, increasing the blood pH and getting you some of the fatty acid metabolism but only after it has used up all that protein being converted to sugar in your liver and reacted with insulin :yikes as fuel.. We all know what the insulin does to our fats and blood sugar stabilitiy cause we have read our DANDR :no :no :no

[Buddrfly]

Scared!

I am really scared for you. If you do decide to go through with this, I hope you are okay when it is all said and done :hug

[supertramp]

Some people have never experienced what I term 'real' ketosis with the strong appetite suppression (OK, nausea)

Okay, how can that be healthy? Striving for nausea? Not my idea of good health! :nono