Anyone doing the meat ........

[hulagrl1120]

well said Megs :clapping

[spazzyhilo]

not2late - you rock my socks :joy

[Pam_C]

not2late you go girl!!!

[just_merely]

Everyone has made very valid points, but I'd like to throw in a couple more. As we all know, everyone's body reacts to everything differently.... when you restrict carbs to 0, not only are you depriving your brain of the little glucose it needs, but you're also screwing around with your potassium levels - that's like dancing with the devil and it CAN be fatal for some people.

Not only that, but how many times have us long time Atkineers at ADBB had to review someone's menu because they were NOT losing weight only to find out they weren't getting enough carbs? (Once they added some more [veggie] carbs, the weight came off.) Too many times to count.

[maysea]

Thank you all very much for you valued opinions

[bnzstar]

Not 2 late-- you are so biased you cannot even see when you contradict yourself and misconstrue people's words and in some case state complete untruths and I am not deterred one bit by your cheering section.

You claim to know medicine (or at least the billing of such records) but can't differentiate between obesity and overweight. I don't know where you work, but anywhere else there is a varing medical definition and even a varying "street definition" and the two are not treated as one in the same,medically. That said, just because someone has a title is no guarantee of knoweledge. One only has to maintain a C average to get a medical degree, but I doubt the C doctor is as knowledgeable as the A doctor...but I'm sure you take issue with that because that is line of logical reasoning, not emotional biased, preaching.

I never anywhere in my post (S) said "Go ahead and do it!"---and if I had ,with your superior cut and paste skills ,you would have put that dow in quotes to underline your defense...but you didn't because I didn't say that.

The only point I have maintained is that 3 days of meat and eggs most likely is not going to cause death or long term health effects to most people, period. Anything else thrown in there was to counteract your INCORRECT assumptions about me, my weight, and my health. And even if I am in the minority, that doesn't make any of my concerns or stances less valid. Majority may rule, but that doesn't make the majority right.

As for your continued assertions or implications, rather that YOU KNOW what's best for anyone who posts on this site, my last and final thing to say is that we all know what happens when people ASSUME anything without all the facts and information. If you don't know then..oh well..then you are not as ominiscient as you seem to think.

Have a nice day. And if you have to have the last word, fine. But I am terribly finished on this subject...and I will let you know if I happen upon any 3-day egg and meat fast deaths in the police reports or obits I comb through every day. There listed right there along all the reports of people who have died from the Atkins diet---I mean we all know someone who knows someone who did or who's now on dialysis...don't we. I guess I should give their claims more validity now too.

[2big4mysize]

There listed right there along all the reports of people who have died from the Atkins diet---I mean we all know someone who knows someone who did or who's now on dialysis...don't we. I guess I should give their claims more validity now too.

would love to see even one of those with the medical reports to back up the claims.

You can do the research and find the reports about the protein diet deaths in the congressional record and the new law to go with it that force protein makers to issue those disclaimers on their packages.

In less then 24 hrs you can mess your electrolytes up enough to kill you and dropping your blood pressure as a result of your electrolyte imbalace from the diuretic effect of the proteins can kill you too so don't think in 3 days you can't do enough harm to matter. If you choose after doing the research of the actual effects of this plan as you did the Atkins plan to make an informed decision to go ahead with your meat fast then you know and accept the risks but to just se it on the net and decide to do it based on posts of folk who did it without knowing the risks is foolish.

Happy low carbing

[ttdriver]

And just what happens when you go OFF it? This is the same mentality that drives people to take diet pills to lose weight.

I agree; this is not Atkins. :nono


Betty

[not2late]

Not 2 late-- you are so biased you cannot even see when you contradict yourself and misconstrue people's words and in some case state complete untruths and I am not deterred one bit by your cheering section.

You claim to know medicine (or at least the billing of such records) but can't differentiate between obesity and overweight. I don't know where you work, but anywhere else there is a varing medical definition and even a varying "street definition" and the two are not treated as one in the same,medically. That said, just because someone has a title is no guarantee of knoweledge. One only has to maintain a C average to get a medical degree, but I doubt the C doctor is as knowledgeable as the A doctor...but I'm sure you take issue with that because that is line of logical reasoning, not emotional biased, preaching.

Obesity is currently defined as a BMI greater than 30. Overweight is defined as a BMI greater than 25. This is the accepted medical definition of obesity and overweight for adults. Both are treated medically the same way--weight reduction. Both have similar health risks.

I agree with you a degree doesn't ensure knowledge. But actually reading and researching something does ensure knowledge or at least will enable a person to formulate an informed opinion. That's why it's very obvious to figure out who has done more than a cursory glance and who has barely even glanced.

I never anywhere in my post (S) said "Go ahead and do it!"---and if I had ,with your superior cut and paste skills ,you would have put that dow in quotes to underline your defense...but you didn't because I didn't say that.

So your post here:

Oh come on people! You can't tell me that none of you as a college student ate the same thing for three days in a row. NEWS FLASH I ate nothing but scrambled eggs for a week after I lost my job and guess what I didn't die!!!
I've also eaten cereal every meal for weeks at a time as well as cheese hot dogs and one time tuna sandwhiches. I didn't die.

It's fine to beg to differ with whether this is in line with Atkins or appropriate for weight loss purposes but to act like its going to instantly kill you or endanger someone's life is absurd! That person would have to be horribly unfit to begin with!

can be summarized as "you know a meat fast might not be the best thing to do nutritionally, because you might run into some health problems. So if you decide to do it, just keep that in mind". My mistake. I guess Shadewolf, Cleochatra, 2Big and I misread that post. Our bad....

The only point I have maintained is that 3 days of meat and eggs most likely is not going to cause death or long term health effects to most people, period. Anything else thrown in there was to counteract your INCORRECT assumptions about me, my weight, and my health. And even if I am in the minority, that doesn't make any of my concerns or stances less valid. Majority may rule, but that doesn't make the majority right.

For someone who casts aspersions on what I, 2Big and Moonwish provided in our replies to Maysea, I don’t see you providing any documentation to back up your opinions….

Nevertheless, your opinions are as valid as the opinions of all the posters here who disagree with you. But as I wrote previously, don’t demean or denigrate those people.

As for your continued assertions or implications, rather that YOU KNOW what's best for anyone who posts on this site, my last and final thing to say is that we all know what happens when people ASSUME anything without all the facts and information. If you don't know then..oh well..then you are not as ominiscient as you seem to think.

No, see this is where you are the one assuming yet again. Re-read my first post. I never told Maysea don't do it. I gave him some facts about carb levels and achieving ketosis. I gave him a fact about the modified protein sparing fast and why bariatric centers use it only under strict medical supervision. I gave him a fact about the 1972 Atkins diet. As I said, whatever he chooses to do with it is up to him. However, if you believe giving someone facts is equal to knowing what’s best for them--- that’s up to you. But it does give me a bit more insight on the news media in this country behaves the way they do.

And once again, the vast majority of the people here are overweight/obese. To assume the majority here are normal weight who want to lose a couple of pounds is utterly ridiculous. It’s like going to a diabetes support forum and assuming the majority of people there aren’t diabetics.

Have a nice day. And if you have to have the last word, fine. But I am terribly finished on this subject...and I will let you know if I happen upon any 3-day egg and meat fast deaths in the police reports or obits I comb through every day. There listed right there along all the reports of people who have died from the Atkins diet---I mean we all know someone who knows someone who did or who's now on dialysis...don't we. I guess I should give their claims more validity now too.

You know what’s ironic. You claim we don’t have science to back us up, yet I don’t see you supplying sources to support your position. I referenced one of the most famous endocrinologists of the 20th century. Moonwish referenced a study about rabbit starvation. 2Big’s information is general information found in any human physiology textbook. You have referenced a grand total of nobody.

Thanks for wishing me a nice day---I always have them.

***********************

Maysea, I apologize to you for the detour your thread took. But please, do some research on the “meat fast”/Stillman diet and also do some research on ketosis/lipolysis in order for you to make an informed decision about it.

[ttdriver]

MEGS, you rock!!! :nod :nod

Betty

[hulagrl1120]

I've worked with enough of your species(news people) to see that you fit the profile...know it all...argumentative...refuse to believe anyone but your own blown up opinions and always putting down others because you think you are "in the know" with the access to info us common folk don't have...please...am I going to believe you who comes in from nowhere spouting insults to one of our long time mods or Megs who has helped so many people here? hmmm not a real tough decision there.

[ttdriver]

But I am terribly finished on this subject...

:clapping

Rock on, Megs!

Betty

[TheGirl]

Not 2 late-- you are so biased you cannot even see when you contradict yourself and misconstrue people's words and in some case state complete untruths and I am not deterred one bit by your cheering section.

You claim to know medicine (or at least the billing of such records) but can't differentiate between obesity and overweight. I don't know where you work, but anywhere else there is a varing medical definition and even a varying "street definition" and the two are not treated as one in the same,medically. That said, just because someone has a title is no guarantee of knoweledge. One only has to maintain a C average to get a medical degree, but I doubt the C doctor is as knowledgeable as the A doctor...but I'm sure you take issue with that because that is line of logical reasoning, not emotional biased, preaching.

I never anywhere in my post (S) said "Go ahead and do it!"---and if I had ,with your superior cut and paste skills ,you would have put that dow in quotes to underline your defense...but you didn't because I didn't say that.

The only point I have maintained is that 3 days of meat and eggs most likely is not going to cause death or long term health effects to most people, period. Anything else thrown in there was to counteract your INCORRECT assumptions about me, my weight, and my health. And even if I am in the minority, that doesn't make any of my concerns or stances less valid. Majority may rule, but that doesn't make the majority right.

As for your continued assertions or implications, rather that YOU KNOW what's best for anyone who posts on this site, my last and final thing to say is that we all know what happens when people ASSUME anything without all the facts and information. If you don't know then..oh well..then you are not as ominiscient as you seem to think.

Have a nice day. And if you have to have the last word, fine. But I am terribly finished on this subject...and I will let you know if I happen upon any 3-day egg and meat fast deaths in the police reports or obits I comb through every day. There listed right there along all the reports of people who have died from the Atkins diet---I mean we all know someone who knows someone who did or who's now on dialysis...don't we. I guess I should give their claims more validity now too.

It might not cause *most people problems* but how does anyone really know what it will do to them? You could have a health problem that you are not aware of and it could cause problems. It's better to be safe than sorry.

Sorry, not trying to beat a dead horse, so to speak, but that statement bothered me.

[Oreo]

Maysea, I have been reading this board for a while now but this thread prompted me to finally register ~because there's to many people here giving their opinion's without FACTS.

Oviously, they skipped several chaper's in ther Atkins books- they sound like they skipped everything and went straight to the Induction Chapter.

IF YOU have NOT read the 1972 version of Dr.Atkins from COVER TO COVER then DO NOT try to say what the book may or may not say, I promise you I have it, I live it and have read it several times- now I suggest YOU go do the same.

FYI- the first week of the 1972 plan you do eat 5 carbs OR LESS a day.

another FYI- 1 egg is .6 carbs- if you do the meat and Egg diet for even 1 day and have 6 eggs you are having 3.6 carbs

and IF your over weight - CARBS are POISON to you- YOU do NOT need them to survive but YOU do need Protein and healty fats

Maysea, read the books from cover to cover then you won't have to resort to what other people think is best for YOU!

[Elizellen]

IF YOU have NOT read the 1972 version of Dr.Atkins from COVER TO COVER then DO NOT try to say what the book may or may not say, I promise you I have it, I live it and have read it several times- now I suggest YOU go do the same.

FYI- the first week of the 1972 plan you do eat 5 carbs OR LESS a day.

I agree with you Oreo about the need to read the book.
BTW welcome to ha I am glad you de-lurked to join in :wave

But remember that here on ADBB we are going by the rules of the 2002 DANDR - not the old version which did start with only 5 carbs for one week and then adding 5 carbs per week thereafter.

I have only read the old version once (bought it at a charity shop last week) but it has changed quite a bit in the 2002 version we go by here.
Dr Atkins refined and adapted the rules of Atkins in the period between 1972 and 2002 as a result of what his patients experienced, and the 2002 version tells us to have up to 20 carbs from a more varied list now.

Please don't be offended by me mentioning this, but I thought I ought to in case anyone here was confused by the '5 carbs or less' phrase in your post :hug