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  • #91
    Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

    A few thoughts on various discussion topics (and may I add, I love this thread?)

    Sceptics who tell you about the "dangers" of Atkins: I haven't really encountered anybody who told me I was eating unhealthily, but that's probably owing to the fact that I didn't tell anybody that this was Atkins. People just see what I eat and I seem to have earned a reputation for eating healthily! Funny how that is: the mere name "Atkins" seems to draw up such a big red flag for many people that they just don't see what you're actually eating. But remove the red flag (i.e. not telling them it's Atkins) and they see without prejudice. I realize I'm perhaps not advocating Atkins as it deserves to be, but when somebody in need does approach me - and it happens, seeing that I have lost about 40 lbs. - I tell them in private. I don't hide the fact that I do Atkins, I just find diet to be quite a private matter that isn't up for public discussion.

    Overeating kjspea said:
    I am just waiting, waiting for this change to happen for me:

    "It's not that you eat when you're not hungry, but you seem to be always hungry. And yet when you eat the high carbohydrate food you crave, you feel better only briefly. Your situation is the exact opposite of the one you'll experience when you do Atkins. When doing Atkins, you'll find that your appetite has diminshed, but the satisfaction from food you eat has increased"
    I haven't found this process to happen naturally to me. For a long time, I sat and waited for my appetite to diminish, and it didn't. I believe the reason for that was that my eating didn't have a lot to do with physical hunger; so while my hunger was lessened, I had simply developed habits of eating and habits of amounts that weren't helpful. I had to act, rather than wait for something to change in me: I had to change it. What that meant for me was to define meals - that is to say, I eat three meals a day with nothing in between but water. That was difficult at first, but it helped me confine eating to meal times. And because my physical hunger was under control, I found that I was well able to go from one meal to the next without discomfort. In fact, I would be getting a faint feeling of hunger just when mealtime arrived, which only makes a meal taste better! So my three meals a day were contained, and then I made sure that the amounts were adequate but not over the top (fitday helps in that respect). So when I finished a meal, I knew that I had had enough - not necessarily feeling as full as I'd want to be, but fitday told me how much enough was and I left it at that. And over time I found out that these amounts were perfectly enough to carry me through to the next meal - and in between the meals, I'd often forget about food altogether! Now that's a miracle for me.

    gracenote: welcome to the thread! Sure you can still participate, just jump in!

    Net carbs: thanks Megs for clearing that up. It wasn't particularly relevant to me personally, since I stay away from sweeteners altogether and don't eat processed foods, but that whole net carb/ net effective carb thing got me in so much trouble the first time I did Atkins. I would binge on low carb chocolate, ice cream, bars... if the theory was true that we binge because of sugar, well, I have disproved that one. It was the taste, for me. So I binged, paid the price (terrible), and obviously didn't lose weight.
    I want to be thin. I want to be a runner. Why can't I get it into my head that both things require work??

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    • #92
      Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

      Originally posted by jimmie 48
      sam, i guess the first thing we all had/have to do is figure out the why's so we don't repeat the unhealthy eating habits that got us into trouble in the first place.
      Exactly. And the first section of the book does a good job of explaining why so many of the previous "diets" (low carb, mere low calorie) simply did not work due to metabolic responses to carbs. And he explained the all-too-common phenomena of eating compulsively, without thought.

      You see, your food compulsion isn't a character disorder, it's a chemical disorder called hyperinsulism, and you have it simply because you've eaten the same unhealthy way that most people in our culture do.


      Originally posted by jimmie 48
      i felt particularly sorry for the people who are insuling dependant and how they can just sprial out of control. that must be a most horrible feeling.

      i'll have to re read that part of part one several more times because it still is not sinking in.
      I feel sorry for diabetics too. Not only is it hereditary (it's in my family!) but can develop as a result of poor eating, thus the 'vicious cycle'. It is confusing at first, but to use part of his summary, here is a simplistic version:

      *Excessive carb intake results in an oversupply of glucose, thus insulin
      *An ongoing cycle of of excess glucose/insulin results in hyperinsulism (& ultimately diabetes)
      *The body repsonds to excessive carbs by secreting more & more insulin to deal w/blood sugar leves
      *This causes extra glucose to convert to fat & is stored by the body
      *While the body increases insulin production, it's effectiveness to deal with the excess levels decreases
      *This reduction in effectiveness makes the body crave sweets & carbs "which compounds the problem in a vicious cycle"
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      • #93
        Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

        Originally posted by wienerin
        Sceptics who tell you about the "dangers" of Atkins: I haven't really encountered anybody who told me I was eating unhealthily, but that's probably owing to the fact that I didn't tell anybody that this was Atkins. People just see what I eat and I seem to have earned a reputation for eating healthily! Funny how that is: the mere name "Atkins" seems to draw up such a big red flag for many people that they just don't see what you're actually eating. But remove the red flag (i.e. not telling them it's Atkins) and they see without prejudice.
        This is so true and until recently I was a skeptic as well. It's funny that people will think you're a 'healthy' eater until you say the "A" word! There is such a stigma surrounding the diet, especially for those who don't know the facts. Dr. A does a good job of refuting the fallacies, one by one, in the book. Most notably, these:

        ~Ketosis is dangerous
        ~The weightloss is mostly water, not fat
        ~It's unbalances & deficient in nutrition
        ~It causes people to be tired, weak, lacking in energy
        ~The excess protein is bad for the kidneys
        ~Too much fat causes gall bladder disease
        ~There is a negative impact on calcium absorption
        ~It will increase cholesterol and lead to heart disease
        ~IT is impossible to keep of the weight for the long term

        Originally posted by wienerin
        I had simply developed habits of eating and habits of amounts that weren't helpful. I had to act, rather than wait for something to change in me: I had to change it. What that meant for me was to define meals - ... I made sure that the amounts were adequate but not over the top (fitday helps in that respect). So when I finished a meal, I knew that I had had enough - not necessarily feeling as full as I'd want to be, but fitday told me how much enough was and I left it at that. And over time I found out that these amounts were perfectly enough to carry me through to the next meal - and in between the meals, I'd often forget about food altogether! Now that's a miracle for me.
        Fabulous! You have obviously worked hard to get where you're at, this shows a great deal of determination, dedication & control!

        Originally posted by wienerin
        Net carbs: thanks Megs for clearing that up. It wasn't particularly relevant to me personally, since I stay away from sweeteners altogether and don't eat processed foods, but that whole net carb/ net effective carb thing got me in so much trouble the first time I did Atkins. I would binge on low carb chocolate, ice cream, bars... if the theory was true that we binge because of sugar, well, I have disproved that one. It was the taste, for me. So I binged, paid the price (terrible), and obviously didn't lose weight.
        Dr. A would be very upset to learn about the new products pushing the sugar alcohols. It was a way to expand the Atkins line (& other foods) to make them more 'appealing' to the public. The labels deceive the public!!! And congrats on keeping away from the sweeteners & processed foods, that is impressive too!
        ~*Always Positive, Motivated and Determined*~

        :frostyang :flowerkit :Angel_ani

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        • #94
          Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

          good comments, k. i liked the breakdown of what you had to say about diabetes.

          my brother just recently was told to lose his overabundant weight or he was headed, very shortly, to be diagnosed with diabetes.
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          • #95
            Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

            2big, have you any words of wisdom as far as "metobolic advantage? goes?

            (sorry if it was already addressed. the site is not giving me email replys for this thread for some reason yet to be discovered.)
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            • #96
              Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

              Neat "simplistic" version of the insulin viscious cycle, Kjspea. Sums it up well. Thanks!
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              • #97
                Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                I always get a kick out of the whole water weight thing. i've lost 30 pounds so far, definitely not water weight. And look at the folks who've lost hundreds of pounds. That sure is a lot of water.

                Check out our Low Carb Recipes website and add to it!!
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                • #98
                  Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                  Hi everyone! I have the Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution. I think it says published in 1992. Do I need to get the other one? Aspie1

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                  • #99
                    Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                    Hi Everyone,

                    I'm sorry to jump in so late, I've had one of those weeks.

                    My question is this, does fiber not raise blood sugar because it's indigestible, or becuase it doesn't covert to glucose? I got confused on that one.

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                    • Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                      I'm on the list! Yay Me! I am wondering if I have DANDR circa 1992, would that work? Aspie1

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                      • Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                        Originally posted by Aspie1
                        I'm on the list! Yay Me! I am wondering if I have DANDR circa 1992, would that work? Aspie1
                        it will work if it's all you got. you just might not be page for page or chapter to chapter with the group.
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                        • Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                          Aspie1 go to your library cause not only will your pages be wrong Info was changed too. As Dr Atkins learned more about effects of stuff he altered his plan too.

                          Jimmie 48 the metabolic advatange is all over the board but in here basically it is that it takes very little energy to convert carbs to the end product of metabolism. it takes 2.75 times more energy to conver a gram of fat to the final products of metabolism then it does carbs so switchijng from the USDA high carb low fat low protein eating plan to the Atkins higher protein hig fat low carb plan uses more of our eatten fuel to generate body fuel at the end of metabolism about 30% so eating the UDSA ratios 1200 cal diet would let you lose weight the same as eating 1560 cals Atkins ratios. That is the metabolic advantage in a nut shell.

                          Now forget you read that and focus on eating only enough food to satisfy your hunger ata the time you are eatting and if as some folk you haven't met your true hunger use Dr Atkins drills from later in the book and eat 1/2 the amount on your plate and stop and leave putting the food away. as soon as you get hungry again you can eat more of it. Many folk who start out over eating thsir Atkins need a braking mechanism and that is a great one. Once you are amazed at how little food it can take to satisfy your hunger you have won the battle of losing weight eattting Atkions.
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                          • Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                            Originally posted by Yurmomonastick
                            My question is this, does fiber not raise blood sugar because it's indigestible, or becuase it doesn't covert to glucose? I got confused on that one.
                            Terry Lynn - welcome to the thread! It's a lovely discussion here, lots of interesting questions raised. I re-read that bit on fiber the other day, and I hadn't been taking flax yet - but after that I did a bit of research on this board and people seem to love it... encouraging its use... so I bought a pack and will start having a TBS per day.

                            As for the reason why it doesn't raise blood sugar, my understanding is that it's not digestible, so the body gets absolutely nothing from it: it's simply bulk that passes through. So, it doesn't convert to glucose or to anything else at all.

                            Aspie, welcome to the reading program too! Hope you manage to locate a 2002 copy, but if not, the essentials are the same and if there's anything different, the discussion of that will only add to the insights on here!
                            I want to be thin. I want to be a runner. Why can't I get it into my head that both things require work??

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                            • Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                              in the human body the fiber by definition isn't metabolized. Now if you got internal parts like a cow you will get the cals from the stuff we call fiber.
                              by the book atkinseer

                              started 6/1/02 at 313
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                              • Re: Dandr ~ Our Summer Reading Program

                                anyone talking about the food yet? or are we still all deep in the metobolics?

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