2007 Read The Book Challenge

[angelsfort]

Re: 2007 Read The Book Challenge

part 2 is done and I'm going for part 3 now...

[hrgillespie]

Re: 2007 Read The Book Challenge

Happy Anniversary Jimmie and Jack!!!!!!!!!!


Reporting in to say I finished the reading last night for Part three. Man there are a lot of things I ma thankful for not having after reading this part! I printed the homework off but am guessing I won't be able to do it till this weekend.

Heidi

[jimmie 48]

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thank y'all for the anniversary wishes!
it was number 36 for us.

angel, i have you smile-faced in and the chart has been updated as of your post.
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notes from what i've read thus far. oh my gosh i have so many things underlined. keep reading if you want or pass on by............

Metabolic Resistance
i found it relatively easy to lose so kudos to the members who are losing and
who are also dealing with medications that can cause a weight gain.


dr. A lists 4 major catagories of problems that contribute to metabolic resistance. one of those listed is hormones. maybe i'm vain but this is one of the reasons i did not consider HRT, at least so far. at least i'm honest about it. and yes, i blame my hormones for everything.

i won't go through the list of vitamins/minerals and supplements that are listed but he sure puts alot of things in front of us that can help us rather than doing prescriptions medications. i thank bio, in my mind, almost everyday for the information she provides in the VitaNutrient Forum.

anybody in this challenge do the Fat Fast? how drastic! i've seen some slow losers and some not so slow losers consider this and it disturbed me. we shouldn't confuse slow losing a reason to do this. the fat fast is the last
resort for those individuals that can not lose any other way. dr a stresses that ".... the Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant"
my note was don't confuse a stall or a lack luster performance, less than stellar or clean woe for an excuse to do the fat fast.

The Psychology of Weight Loss:
i've known people who ate because they were sad
i've know people who ate because they were happy
i've been both.

something i've tried to post to peeps in the past is to check why they want a certain food. are they craving it as in "i gotta have it, it's all i can think about" or are they just merely missing the taste of it and the feeling soon passes. i equate this to my beloved thin crust pizza. do i want it? yeah! but i'm not craving it in the way that i'm going to undo where i am for the sake of having it.
have i had since starting low carb? yes. has it hurt me? in the way that i showed a gain, yes. in the way that it made me forget what i was doing by low carbing? no.

under the heading Emotional Eating, on page 277
i don't like that fact that the first thing dr. A listed was "Treat yourself to an acceptable food" i wish he would have listed this as the last alternative or better yet, not at all. i'm believe when someone is thinking "i gotta have _________ (fill in the blank) because ____________ (fll in the blank)" they see that as the number one thing to do and toss the other suggestions out the window (like reading only the Induction Chapter and never reading anything else). the proof this happens? i've seen it hundreds of times just on this board. take the first bite and poof, the journal becomes inactive, the member is mia and months later they reappear and tell how an emotional binge kept them off plan. i really don't like that this "practical response" is listed first.

under the heading Time for Realism
how many times have i seen members torture themselves by weighing 5, 6 or even more times a day? lots! i'm a recovering scaleaholic myself and i know the frustration that can come by weighing so often. i KNOW you want to see losses and i KNOW how good it makes you feel but.....

these scales that tell the .2 or .3 losses/gains .... i hate them and that's all i'll say about that.

on page 282, i had to laugh at the phrase "Get real. It's not 1994. Send all complaints to Father Time, Box Office Eternity.". we see this on the board, in real life, all around us with every diet and woe on the planet. for me, personally, i am not 25, i am not running after 2 small kids, i do not have the same body i had in 1975 so why would i expect to be able to reach a goal of 102 and maintain it, like i did back then? jo, get real, 125 fits you comfortably and you're healthy

under the heading Create Good Food Habits
one note that i made was to really taste the food you are eating. feel the texture and the flavors. don't just gulp your food down. i have a sister who does this. i don't think she even chews her food. she just inhales.

i've got just about the whole chapter, Exercise: It's Non Negotiable, underlined with notes and stars all over the place. i don't care who you are, if your breathing, there is something you can do for exercise. if you can raise your arm, you can hold a dumbbell and raise it, too. if you can lay on the floor, then you can attempt a leg raise. this does not mean you have to join one or more of the challenges that are offered on this board but there is no better way to be and stay committed as to get involved with something.
you can't do 1500 pushups like member XYZ? so what. you can't run 10.5 miles every morning like member Suzyrunningallovertheplace? so what. the point is, do something, get moving.

off my soapbox now.

[jimmie 48]

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Happy Anniversary Jimmie and Jack!!!!!!!!!!


Reporting in to say I finished the reading last night for Part three. Man there are a lot of things I am thankful for not having after reading this part! I printed the homework off but am guessing I won't be able to do it till this weekend.

Heidi

thank you
thank you

heidi, you and me both! (per the bold type)

[SunnySmile501]

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notes from what i've read thus far. oh my gosh i have so many things underlined. keep reading if you want or pass on by............

I so feel the same way about most all your thoughts on these chapters!
Metabolic Resistance
i found it relatively easy to lose so kudos to the members who are losing and
who are also dealing with medications that can cause a weight gain.



i won't go through the list of vitamins/minerals and supplements that are listed but he sure puts alot of things in front of us that can help us rather than doing prescriptions medications. i thank bio, in my mind, almost everyday for the information she provides in the VitaNutrient Forum.

I'm gonna try to find some of those natural products soon. Looked for them at Wallyworld, but they don't carry the ones I want. I used to take 11 different prescription meds, but gave most of them up to keep my drivers license. I am down to four right now, and would like to give at least two of those up.

anybody in this challenge do the Fat Fast? how drastic! i've seen some slow losers and some not so slow losers consider this and it disturbed me. we shouldn't confuse slow losing a reason to do this. the fat fast is the last
resort for those individuals that can not lose any other way. dr a stresses that ".... the Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant"
my note was don't confuse a stall or a lack luster performance, less than stellar or clean woe for an excuse to do the fat fast.

I have done the fat fast twice. I have gone as much as 6 months without losing, doing everything right. I didn't lose much and it wasn't fun at all. It is very hard to do correctly, and that's what I see people doing. They don't really know how to do it right. They do it how they think Dr. A means it to be done, just like people think the 'diet' is all bacon, eggs and steak. Even the sample menus have too much protein and sometimes carbs.


something i've tried to post to peeps in the past is to check why they want a certain food. are they craving it as in "i gotta have it, it's all i can think about" or are they just merely missing the taste of it and the feeling soon passes. i equate this to my beloved thin crust pizza. do i want it? yeah! but i'm not craving it in the way that i'm going to undo where i am for the sake of having it.
have i had since starting low carb? yes. has it hurt me? in the way that i showed a gain, yes. in the way that it made me forget what i was doing by low carbing? no.

I had to decide to do a reality check before eating anything I was craving, even legal foods, when not actually hungry. I ask myself, "What, if anything, will be better in my life, if I eat ________ right now?" The answer is always, "Nothing!" It most of the time keeps me from eating stuff I really don't need. Notice, I said "need", not "want."

under the heading Emotional Eating, on page 277
i don't like that fact that the first thing dr. A listed was "Treat yourself to an acceptable food" i wish he would have listed this as the last alternative or better yet, not at all. i'm believe when someone is thinking "i gotta have _________ (fill in the blank) because ____________ (fll in the blank)" they see that as the number one thing to do and toss the other suggestions out the window (like reading only the Induction Chapter and never reading anything else). the proof this happens? i've seen it hundreds of times just on this board. take the first bite and poof, the journal becomes inactive, the member is mia and months later they reappear and tell how an emotional binge kept them off plan. i really don't like that this "practical response" is listed first.

I just skip over some of this lenient advice. I think he put that stuff in (or maybe the ghostwriter) to make people think it was a kinder, gentler 'diet.' I know from reading his bio, he played hardball with his patients, and they fought hard to make him seem more soft and cuddly. I NEED hardball! I need boundaries! I need clear-cut rules! I'll save the warm-fuzzies for people I love.

under the heading Time for Realism
how many times have i seen members torture themselves by weighing 5, 6 or even more times a day? lots! i'm a recovering scaleaholic myself and i know the frustration that can come by weighing so often. i KNOW you want to see losses and i KNOW how good it makes you feel but.....

these scales that tell the .2 or .3 losses/gains .... i hate them and that's all i'll say about that.

on page 282, i had to laugh at the phrase "Get real. It's not 1994. Send all complaints to Father Time, Box Office Eternity.". we see this on the board, in real life, all around us with every diet and woe on the planet. for me, personally, i am not 25, i am not running after 2 small kids, i do not have the same body i had in 1975 so why would i expect to be able to reach a goal of 102 and maintain it, like i did back then? jo, get real, 125 fits you comfortably and you're healthy

under the heading Create Good Food Habits
one note that i made was to really taste the food you are eating. feel the texture and the flavors. don't just gulp your food down. i have a sister who does this. i don't think she even chews her food. she just inhales.

I had not read that when I started in 2005, but it was on my list of things to change. I learned to gulp my food back in high school, when I had only a few minutes to have lunch and then get to a class all the way at the end of the building. Then, came all the jobs with a 30 minute lunch, kids to feed...the list goes on. When I began living alone 20 years ago, I started to eat in front of the TV, in bed, and in front of the computer--everywhere but the table. I would eat a whole big serving of something while doing something absorbing and look down and realize I had inhaled it and didn't even remember eating it or tasting it. I'd go get more, vowing to really taste it this time, get involved with something--same thing again. When I started this WOE two years ago, I decided to eat only at the table, make the food attractive as well as tasty, make my place setting attractive, and to cut my food into small bites, eat slowly and put my cutlery down between bites and to really taste and enjoy my food! It has worked even better than I expected! I also clean up immediately and put the food away, out of sight. No more mindless eating out of the pan!

i've got just about the whole chapter, Exercise: It's Non Negotiable, underlined with notes and stars all over the place. i don't care who you are, if your breathing, there is something you can do for exercise. if you can raise your arm, you can hold a dumbbell and raise it, too. if you can lay on the floor, then you can attempt a leg raise. this does not mean you have to join one or more of the challenges that are offered on this board but there is no better way to be and stay committed as to get involved with something.
you can't do 1500 pushups like member XYZ? so what. you can't run 10.5 miles every morning like member Suzyrunningallovertheplace? so what. the point is, do something, get moving.

off my soapbox now.

You can get on your soapbox anytime!

[brandywine1241]

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something i've tried to post to peeps in the past is to check why they want a certain food. are they craving it as in "i gotta have it, it's all i can think about" or are they just merely missing the taste of it and the feeling soon passes. i equate this to my beloved thin crust pizza. do i want it? yeah! but i'm not craving it in the way that i'm going to undo where i am for the sake of having it.

Jimmie, I'll admit, I've blown it a few times, but something good did come out of it. I just HAD to have chocolate chip cookies, so I picked up a bag of my favorite kind. When I started to eat one, I concentrated on the taste. It wasn't as good as I had thought it would be. I noticed a kind of funny "preservative" undertaste that I had never noticed before and it was pretty nasty. Bottom line is that whenever I think a chocolate chip cookie would taste soooooo good, I remember preservative taste and the feeling goes away.

I'm with you on the thin crust pizza. I'm going to try Biker Goddess' recipe but cut the crust ingredients in half to see if that's more like thin crust.

[jimmie 48]

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thanks for the commentaries on my commentery, girls! it's great to see how often we think alike and and when we don't. i'm liking this very much.

do you guys smell the sugar in things? take those chocolate chip cookies for instance. jack loves the white chocolate chip keebler cookies. he has 3 of them each day with lunch. never 4 and feels cheated if i only give him two. sheesh. anyway, can you smell the ... i don't know what it is..... the lard, the sugar... maybe it's the preservaties. whatever it is, i can small it and it's not a tempting smell to me at all. i don't think i smelled this before ridding my system of such things. candy bars do the same thing to me. the smell is just overwhelming. not in a good way.

sunny, did your experience with the fat fast do what you wanted it to do? did it indeed get you started on your weight loss? the diet does not sound appealing IN THE LEAST.

[sallyseachange]

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dr. A lists 4 major catagories of problems that contribute to metabolic resistance. one of those listed is hormones. maybe i'm vain but this is one of the reasons i did not consider HRT, at least so far. at least i'm honest about it. and yes, i blame my hormones for everything.

I'm totally with you here Jimmie. It's absolutely one of the prime reasons I don't want HRT also. Who wants to undo all the work we've done?


Haven't gotten any reading done yet (yikes!). Will try to do that tomorrow... or failing that, on the overnight ferry to the islands on Friday, plus homework.

[jimmie 48]

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i really like this exercise chapter.

did anyone run the numbers to check your target heart rate zone? i did quite some time ago. (gasp !)
when i first got my bike, it was not uncommon for me to hit the mid 140's while biking a moderate pace. (gasp gasp )
i have some work to do in this area but while i bike in the 11.5 to 12 MPH rate, my heart is beating in the mid 120's now. my target is 99.6 - 116.2 according to the calculations. i need to check my resting heart rate as i have not done that in awhile.

concerning the tips at the end of the chapter:
all good tips but i would like to add one more. FIND SOMETHING YOU LIKE TO DO
nothing is more tedious to me than doing an exercise that i can't stand or is way out of my scope of ability.

it might be worth noting too, that many times in the 6 WEC, we see peeps committing to 7 days each week. i'm guilty of exercising and reporting those numbers although i didn't pledge the days. dr. A is quite clear that we should not exercise no more than 5 days a week. i guess thats somewhat good news to the couch potatoes of our land.

[Elffriend]

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Could someone with the 2002 edition post the chapter titles for Part 3 here for me? This is what is in the 1999 version:
Part 3 - Why the Diet Makes You Healthy
chap. 11 - Diet Related Disorders and You
chap. 12 - The Sorrows of Hypogylcemia and the Perils of Diabetes
chap. 13 - The World of Yeast Infections
chap. 14 - Food Intolerances - Why We Each Require a Unique Diet
chap. 15 - Good Protection for Your Heart
chap. 16 - Dietary Fat: Real Offender or Innocent Scapegoat?

While I managed to muddle through the homework for part 1 and 2, I just did part 3 and I've got a lot of blanks I can't find answers for. I think this part may be where the books differ a lot.

[jimmie 48]

Re: 2007 Read The Book Challenge

Could someone with the 2002 edition post the chapter titles for Part 3 here for me? This is what is in the 1999 version:
Part 3 - Why the Diet Makes You Healthy
chap. 11 - Diet Related Disorders and You
chap. 12 - The Sorrows of Hypogylcemia and the Perils of Diabetes
chap. 13 - The World of Yeast Infections
chap. 14 - Food Intolerances - Why We Each Require a Unique Diet
chap. 15 - Good Protection for Your Heart
chap. 16 - Dietary Fat: Real Offender or Innocent Scapegoat?

While I managed to muddle through the homework for part 1 and 2, I just did part 3 and I've got a lot of blanks I can't find answers for. I think this part may be where the books differ a lot.

part three UNDERSTANDING HEALTH AND WELL-BEING
chapter 20 Metabolic Resistance: Causes and Solutions
chapter 21 The Psychology of Weight Loss: Behavioral Changes for a Healthier LIfe
chapter 22 Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable
chapter 23 Nutritional Supplements: Don't Even Think of Getting Along Without Them

[jimmie 48]

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i did finish reading part three last night. i don't know how to comment on most of it. it's supplements and Dr A pretty much spelled it out.

i did compare my vitamin supplement with the Atkins Basic #3 Formula, though, listing my percentages. mine also has added Lutein and Lycopene.

i guess mostly i an glad that there are doctors out there that will look into the use of supplements and herbal "fixes" for what ails us.

[Elffriend]

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Thanks, Jimmie. There is only a little about supplements and virtually nothing about the importance of exercise in the 1999 edition. And while he does briefly mention that certain medications can make it difficult to lose weight, there isn't any list of which ones are the worst offenders. I am looking forward to seeing the answers to this week's homework.

[SunnySmile501]

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Good morning! I am now cooking my delectable LEGAL Thanksgiving feast--and it could only be considered a feast by anybody's standards. I could not even imagine feeling deprived in any way. Thank you Dr. Atkins and ADBB!



Sunny!

[brandywine1241]

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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!!