Something I never understood about Atkins...

**ValidRouge** · August 23, 2006, 01:32 PM

Re: Something I never understood about Atkins...

Eating fruit when you are in induction is cheating, or eating fruit when you are not at that phase is considered cheating.

I eat fruit all the time, including cherries...and I'm not cheating. But then again, I'm doing the Atkins phase of Ongoing Weight Loss.

I also eat beans, whole grains, starchy vegetables such as carrots and peas and don't seem to have problems with gaining. I can have sandwiches made from whole grain bread and not gain. I can eat fruit and not gain.

**2big4mysize** · August 23, 2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by winthorp69

Beat me to it

When one has to say EATING FRUIT is CHEATING...

again I think you really need to read the book and then come back cherries are a legal OWL food not a cheat. if you chose to stay induction longer then the 14 days and do your version of Atkins then the added carbs of the cherries ( how many are you having BTW) could be included in your carb count if you have less then a cup of sour ones or 1/2 cup of sweet ones so you didn't gain any pounds eating just them

**gazaleh** · August 23, 2006, 01:36 PM

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I HAVE READ THE BOOK!!!! I've been on a low calorie as well. When I'd eat a piece of pie once in a while, I wouldn't bloat right up. Or if I ate an extra 500 calories a day for a week I'd gain a 1 lb. If I eat an extra 20 carbs a day for a week, I'll gain 10 lbs . Same with others. EXPLAIN THAT. IF you deviate from JEnny Craig o r WW you'll gain 1 -5 lbs/week, not 10-20. lol.

**gazaleh** · August 23, 2006, 01:39 PM

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READ THIS THREAD WITH AN OPEN MIND

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthrea...hlight=nutella

**ValidRouge** · August 23, 2006, 01:42 PM

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Hmm, well it sounds like your metabolism is FAR FAR from what most people on this board experience, including myself.

I consume around 40-50 net carbs a day and can still lose. I have also cheated with the forbidden foods....white bread, rice, and real sugar cheesecake and I gained max 2-3 lbs and it took only a couple days to have it be gone again.

**gazaleh** · August 23, 2006, 01:44 PM

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YEs but you are heavier thann I am. What about people who are tiny like me or aspire to be under 150 lbs? Keep in mind, some of you are now 180 lbs and have a goal of 130. IF you cheat now, yeah you may gain a lb. But , coming from someone who is 121 lbs at 5'8, when you reach your goal, it'll be an ugly picture if you deviate.

**jcapulet** · August 23, 2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by gazaleh

YEs but you are heavier thann I am.

Well, she's taller than you as well.

**ValidRouge** · August 23, 2006, 01:48 PM

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Hmm, maybe we should ask Heidi to come in...I do believe she is smaller than you, and she eats a LOT of carbs in a day.

**gazaleh** · August 23, 2006, 01:48 PM

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^Exactly. So a weight gain won't be as drastic for her. I eat 100 grams of carb a day. But even a bit more than that for a week, even with fruit and it's an ugly picture. At HEidi's height, I am smaller . HEidi is the picture of perfect health and beauty. I aspire to be her. It's just depressing to know that I can't tolerate carbs like I used to.

**ValidRouge** · August 23, 2006, 01:48 PM

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Since my being heavier than you makes us so different.

**k5commando** · August 23, 2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by winthorp69

I'm not. Just pointing out that if you cheat on Atkins it seems to have more severe repercussions than if you cheat on a traditional eating plan.

Well winthorp69, I for one welcome your view and am glad to hear your comments and concerns. However, as a successfull Atkineer I believe your throwing yourself to the lions on this one!

I would also like you to define a "traditional eating plan". If your answer is that its what the majority of people eat in this country on a regular basis I can say that that's why we have an obesity epidemic in this country!

Atkins is not a "Traditional eating plan".......Let's see, for breakfast I had 2 slices of whole grain toast (not low carb bread but the good grainy stuff), and an avacado. For lunch I had tasty turkey sandwich on whole wheat and salad. For dinner I'll be eating a nice fat slab of salmon and asparagus with cheese and a salad.

D@#* right it's not a a "traditional eating plan and it sounds MUCH healthier than a "traditional eating plan" to me. In fact, the only stuff I don't eat now is white flour, refined sugar, and hydroginated fats. Something just about everyone should do anyway.

As far as it being a diet that people start because they can "rapidly lose weight" I think it does take pounds off quickly, but to someone who is severely obese is it more damaging to lose a lot of weight quickly or to remain obese? Some of us are "****-ish" about it and for good reason. I've never been to a drug rehab center but I'm sure their not nice and forgiving if one of the patients shows up strung out on heroin. I use that example because food is a drug to us. PERIOD. IT's just as addictive as the worst drug for many of us. People who say "just stop eating so much" don't understand. It's like telling a junkie to "just stop shooting up".

I was 270 lbs at my biggest. I had hypertention level blood presure while on medication, I was obese since grade school, I had cronic back pain from my fat gut, I was lathargic and lazy. Now I'm 185 lbs, spend 5 days a week at the gym, blood pressure is optimal WITHOUT medication, and I'm a absolute gym addict. I've maintained this weight for over a year and a half and have been on the plan for over two years. I've NEVER been this healthy or felt this positive and healthy.

Until I was educated on Atkins, I thought it was unhealthy also. Fact is, we're the proof it works and is extremely healthy when done right.

So welcome and I hope you are convinced at the end of your journey.

**Sheshy** · August 23, 2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by gazaleh

I HAVE READ THE BOOK!!!! I've been on a low calorie as well. When I'd eat a piece of pie once in a while, I wouldn't bloat right up. Or if I ate an extra 500 calories a day for a week I'd gain a 1 lb. If I eat an extra 20 carbs a day for a week, I'll gain 10 lbs . Same with others. EXPLAIN THAT. IF you deviate from JEnny Craig o r WW you'll gain 1 -5 lbs/week, not 10-20. lol.

Interesting, I've never heard anyone else say they gained that much weight by increasing 20 carbs a day. So basically, you're saying that if you add a medium sized apple (81 calories/21 carbs) to your diet for 7 days, you'd gain 10 pounds? Really?

**gazaleh** · August 23, 2006, 01:51 PM

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^YES!! Read that link I have posted.

**gazaleh** · August 23, 2006, 01:53 PM

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LIsten, you guys, I am one of you. I agree that bad carbs are POISON!! The thing is, I think we have altered our physiology to the point that we cannot stray without serious repurcussions. BUT all in all, it's worth the health that we now have.VALIDROUGE, I didn't want to insult you in any way. You look like an absolute Goddess in your picture. Well proportioned. I'm just saying I'm small boned at at my goal, so my situation is different than yours. How can I post a picture to show ?

**2big4mysize** · August 23, 2006, 01:54 PM

Re: Something I never understood about Atkins...

Originally posted by gazaleh

I HAVE READ THE BOOK!!!! I've been on a low calorie as well. When I'd eat a piece of pie once in a while, I wouldn't bloat right up. Or if I ate an extra 500 calories a day for a week I'd gain a 1 lb. If I eat an extra 20 carbs a day for a week, I'll gain 10 lbs . Same with others. EXPLAIN THAT. IF you deviate from JEnny Craig o r WW you'll gain 1 -5 lbs/week, not 10-20. lol.

if you look the post above yours was replying to winthorp69 not you when I told him to read the book

again 20 grams of carbs a day which is about 100 cals a day isn't making you gain 10 pounds in a week.

As to your you are heavier then me line TTDRIVER is a whopping 84 pounds soaking wet and she eats well on her Atkins pan too cause she exercises.

As it says in Chapter 14 if you are a regular vigorius exerciaser you will have a higher tolerance for carbs. I got 14.9% body fat and can tolerate over 120 net carbs a day when I'm working out vigorously but when I cut back to just treadmilling my carbs go back to around 45 net a day I can handle over 3000 cals a day and not gain too or I can keep the 120 net and cut my cals total back to 2000. the choice is mine.

So when you increase your carbs during your cheat do you cut your cals back as carbs need about 4% of the taltal cals in then for metabolism of them while fats and proteins need a much higher percent, something zi'm sure your poster didn't figure in the cheating topic.

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