Something I never understood about Atkins...

[2big4mysize]

Re: Something I never understood about Atkins...

READ THIS THREAD WITH AN OPEN MIND


http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthrea...hlight=nutella

i read it an most of the repliers are telling her it was a food allergy reaction and one person who had similar reaction actually detailed the testing she did with her cheating foods to incure the huge weight gain and it truned out to be a wheat allergy and the original poster by post 49 is saying it was a food allergy reaction too so there goes that arguement

[winthorp69]

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I would also like you to define a "traditional eating plan". If your answer is that its what the majority of people eat in this country on a regular basis I can say that that's why we have an obesity epidemic in this country!

I defined it a few pages ago and it's DEFINITELY not what the majority of the people in this country are eating!

Now I'm 185 lbs, spend 5 days a week at the gym, blood pressure is optimal WITHOUT medication, and I'm a absolute gym addict.

With your gym addiction it sounds like you'd be 185 pounds if you had chosen the "traditional" path vs. Atkins.

In the second paragraph of my first post I describe things pretty clearly. The food example you gave sounds great. It also sounds alot like food a non-Atkins person who was concerned about their health would eat. BUT you don't eat refined sugar and if you did would probably feel guilt (or ill, or something) for violating the Atkins approach.

All I'm saying is that in the lifetime maintenance phase people can eat all kinds of carbs just like non-Atkins healthful people would BUT sugar and white flower will F you up more than it would a non-Atkins person. Since sugar and flour can be hidden SO many ways in restaurant food and when you go over to say, a neighbor's house I was just inquiring as to how realistic it is to assume a person could stay on Atkins until they die. Apparently at 178 years old.

[gazaleh]

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SInce I don't know how I can include my pictures in my profile, check this

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...images.php?c=2


As you can see, I'm slim, and the rules are different once you reach goal.

[2big4mysize]

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if I have any doubt about what a resturant or neighbor is putting in the food I ask right up front. I have a very bad soy allergy so I know how important it is to know what is in my food before I consume it and it is no different for any other person on ANY plan to ask and know what will be served before arriving so you can make informed choices offer to bring food you can eatr decline the invite or pick and chose.

you keep saying we blow up worse then others do on other plans they too have shed the glycogen stores as a part of their weight loss plan and they too will blow up if they replace them with the water retaining needed with those stores.

[sofarsogood]

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I understand what gazaleh is saying even though I'm still 50 lbs from goal (but from my heaviest I have lost almost 100lbs). If I go off atkins for even one day I will gain 5, 6, or 7 pounds too. Maybe some people's bodies work differently once they start Atkins?

When I was doing traditional low calorie, low fat diets and cheated for a day I might only gain 1/2 pound if I went right back to the diet the next day. Of course, the reason I'd rather do atkins is because I am not hungry all day long and can still lose weight. Also, I find that atkins changes the way my body and face look (leaner and more toned - for some reason).

[2big4mysize]

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SInce I don't know how I can include my pictures in my profile, check this

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...images.php?c=2


As you can see, I'm slim, and the rules are different once you reach goal.

Actually the rules do not change when we reach maintnenance.
we still have the 3 sweetener limit
we still need to eat below our individual carb limit.
We still eat the majority of our calories from fats
our protein intake is still 30%
we still have to do both resistance and aerobic exercise daily
we are still supposed to avoid refined sugars and grains
the only difference is we can now eat that one carb more then our CCLL cause we have a CCLM now.

[gazaleh]

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Sofarsogood.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhh so refreshing. A different point of view. I share this experience with MANY others. If it's an allergy, then how come it never happened on a low calorie plan?????


I feel like I am a slave now to low carbing. I can't get out. Don't get me wrong, it's fairly healthy but my body has morphed into a messed up entity.

[winthorp69]

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if I have any doubt about what a resturant or neighbor is putting in the food I ask right up front. I have a very bad soy allergy so I know how important it is to know what is in my food before I consume it and it is no different for any other person on ANY plan to ask and know what will be served before arriving so you can make informed choices offer to bring food you can eatr decline the invite or pick and chose.

you keep saying we blow up worse then others do on other plans they too have shed the glycogen stores as a part of their weight loss plan and they too will blow up if they replace them with the water retaining needed with those stores.

If anyone has an allergy, yes, it's very important to make sure what you're putting in your mouth won't set it off. But we're not talking about allergies here. When you're talking about sugar and all it's forms and flour it's different. It's just a pain in the ***.

This all goes back to my original reason for making this thread. Once a person reaches lifetime maintenance it seems much easier and more realistic to eat healthy the non-Atkins way. I was simply looking for peoples' thoughts on that. I got personally attacked instead. Hot.

[gazaleh]

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You people attacking others is just like those low calorie advocates getting on your backs. In fact, I have never in my life been so attacked by low calorie, WW or Jenny Craig followers as Atkins followers.What GIVES?An adult debate is more appreciated.

[winthorp69]

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You people attacking others is just like those low calorie advocates getting on your backs. In fact, I have never in my life been so attacked by low calorie, WW or Jenny Craig followers as Atkins followers.What GIVES?An adult debate is more appreciated.

Will you listen to her when she requests this since it's not coming from me (and she's female)? I've been asking for this since page 2.

[2big4mysize]

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try not to focus on the scale cause your goal should be fat loss and you didn't add pounds of fat. you have added water plain and simple it is stored with sugar.
Plus your body has been using your Atkins eating as a diuretic and when you go of it suddenly your kidneys no longer have that naturel diuretic effect to assist them in getting rid of fluids and now your body has to ramp up the amount of fluid releasing hormones to get rid of all the fluids.

also since you jacked your blood sugar and your blood pressure jacked up too you will have extra fluids forced out of your blood vesels and into your surrounding tissuses without that natural diuretic effect to get rid of that fluid too.

Since we all did our homework and read our DANDR and checked out the foot noted research studies we all knew when we made the choice to do Atkins this would happen if we cheated big BUT we all wanted the added health benefits of the lower blood sugar with out meds , lower blood pressure with out meds, lost weight with appetite suppression, lower cholesterol without meds, lose of body fat,...... etc.

So we all went in with out eyes wide open, right? if you don't like the result of your sudden fluid weight gain then wean off Atkins or stop cheating

[gazaleh]

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A sudden fluid weight gain is dangerous!! It's a horrible aspect of this diet. REality. No other diet causes that. Constant water fluctuations aren't good for the heart. I'm a pharmacy student and have been educated on the topic.

[2big4mysize]

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If anyone has an allergy, yes, it's very important to make sure what you're putting in your mouth won't set it off. But we're not talking about allergies here. When you're talking about sugar and all it's forms and flour it's different. It's just a pain in the ***.

This all goes back to my original reason for making this thread. Once a person reaches lifetime maintenance it seems much easier and more realistic to eat healthy the non-Atkins way. I was simply looking for peoples' thoughts on that. I got personally attacked instead. Hot.

you keep saying healthy non Atkins at maintenace we keep telling you to check the book all the foods Kcommando listed are allowed in OWL phase 2 IF your individual body based on your genetic make up can tolorate those foods. In OWL rung 9 the grains we can have whole grain bread even oat meal we can have nut butters we can have avacados from day one but our bodies have to tolerate it..

[2big4mysize]

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A sudden fluid weight gain is dangerous!! It's a horrible aspect of this diet. REality. No other diet causes that. Constant water fluctuations aren't good for the heart. I'm a pharmacy student and have been educated on the topic.

Obesity is dangerous for the heart too as is diabetus high blood pressure and many other aliments "cured" by eating atkins correctly

The answer to your but it is dangerous is don't put yourself in a position to do this to yourself. Each person makes the food choices.
When you eat the food you discribed as normal party meal pie and a sandwich you also cut your protein intake and that causes fluid gain too
if you eat your Atkins close to your CCLL say within about 1-4 carbs of it you shouldn't have that big a fluid increase if you have excess carbs along with your Atkins foods for a day,but your weight loss will be much slower then if one choses like most folk to keep it way below their CCLL.

[k5commando]

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I defined it a few pages ago and it's DEFINITELY not what the majority of the people in this country are eating!



With your gym addiction it sounds like you'd be 185 pounds if you had chosen the "traditional" path vs. Atkins.

I missed your post with your definition and I apologize.

As far as the gym addiction and being 185 without Atkins, it wouldn't happen. I tried that once and lost minimal weight in a long period of time. I only gained muscle. Some of us obviously process carbs differently. Conrolling them is the only option. Exercise is important no matter what diet you choose. It should not be considered an option as some would suggest. I've tried just about everything from Weight Watchers to starvation. Atkins works.